Yes, but Who and What am I?

[alon]

Questor said: But what do I do about the so-called prophetic endowment that is pretty much useless except for a greatly facilitated ability to hear Abba. And I will be more than pleased to not speak of Abba as other than Abba AS Yeshua, except the the Apostolic writings don't put it that way, and so I have no example.

I am going to have to say again, test the spirit. Abba says is for everyone, but you continually say only parts of it are binding on Gentiles coming to the faith. If you are getting this from your spirit, and it contradicts scripture, then you are under the influence of a demonic spirit, not a Godly messenger. I am sorry, but that is the plain truth.

Questor said: And after a third night in a row of short sleep due to some kind of 'Interesting Information' that I was not expecting (a nice euphemism for what ever I learned, and However I learned it!) I am a little puzzled by how one can have an deposit of the Ruach on one's baptism, along with a vision, and not speak of the Ruach separately?

You simply accept the fact that God is One, and speak as though it is a manifestation of of that One infinite God. It's very simple. But I don't think you will ever be clear on who God is until you are divested of this spirit (which I do not believe is of God) that is keeping your mind in bondage. I believe it is a holdover from your time in the occult. You need to do some serious praying, naming this spirit, and asking for it to be removed.

And let me tell you how serious I take this. If your spirit were the Ruach, my speaking against it would possibly be blasphemy:

Mat 12:32  Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the one to come.

But God does not contradict Himself. And if your spirit is telling you things which are against the word of God, then it is not from God. So let me put it this way: either you believe God is One and are Messianic, or you do not, and therefore would fall into either the Christian or Hebrew Roots camps. But you cannot write of a Trinity, then say it is not a Trinity but One God, then say you believe but cannot write of it that way. Pick a camp and write from that perspective.

Our belief is that God is One, just like He said; and that He does not change. So when He says is for everyone for "all your generations" then that is what we believe. And when He says we are adopted into the Jewish family, then that is what we are- proselytes to a Jewish faith. We become grafted into Israel just like all who were saved in the TNK. Just like Rav Sh'ul said in the Kethuvai Shaliachim. 

Until you can write a clear statement like that about what you believe, you cannot write to edify anyone else. And when you do write your statement, THEN pick a camp and write from that perspective.

Dan C

[alon]

Questor said: Abba and Yeshua An the Ruach are one, echad. No problem, I always thought so...I was taught to speak of them as separate. That can be corrected, but are the aspects of G-d a continuing thing for those that Believe? Does one retain the deposit of the Ruach one receives on Baptism if a true G-d Fearer, and Believer in G-d the Son as my redeemer?

And then does Yeshua really redeem me, or does G-d as Yeshua? I understand that G-d as Yeshua experienced a hideous human death, and then resurrected himself, having taking all the sin debt for everone that needs to be paid by someone to those harmed, including G-d, who simply thows it into the Sea of Forgetfulness, but compensation is due those all of us harm, and Yeshua, in Abba does that.

Yet why does Yeshua speak of turning the kingdom back to the Father in Revelation at the end of the Millenium?


I don't mind the use of Allegory, but in discussion, one needs to drop that and stop talking that way, right?

If God speaks allegorically, why would you want to change it? And as I said in the previous post, you need to be clear on what you believe. You are still all over the map here.

Questor said: Next, looking back on my Baptism, at which I was appropriated dunked, and received instantly a terrifying vision of the reality of the people I was with. How do I know whether that was the Adversary waiting to pounce, as opposed to a full gifting of the 'sight'. I don't say prophecy, because I have never given a prophecy to anyone, nor received one to give. I just hear and see things that others don't say they hear and see.

Again, you need to test the spirit. What I see is a spirit of confusion; a spirit that contradicts what I see in scripture. I seriously do not think this is of God. And I cannot in good concience tell you otherwise.

Dan C

[Questor]

My, this thread seems to have been written such a long time ago, and yet, nothing has really changed for this poor Believer who hears a great deal of answers to questions in the visions of the night, and yet never receives something of use except in understanding what it is in Scripture, but generally only lightly touched on, and of interest it seems to very few.

In re-reading the thread, I noted that one point was never discussed...what information I was receiving, and what it is used for when I write...because what I learn is only clarification of what is discussed in Scripture, generally in the prophecies, and yet is not directly about what is to come in the future, nor is it necessarily what I am writing about at that particular time.

Abba merely is kind enough to answer the questions I have that no one else can answer, and then at one and the same time smacks me firmly with the information while pointing out what I need to change in my behavior in order to cope with what next is coming in our future days...without informing me of what IS coming, thankfully, for I don't want to know such things that precisely.  

Understanding of a lot of non-useful matters is what I am given, and often these things I have no direct use for.  I also receive a great deal of very clear teaching on what I am doing wrong or handling badly during the strange conversations I have with G-d.  They seem to go together, as if the understanding I am supposed to gain will help me in these things, though how it does I could not say at all.

Often I am shown things that explain to me bits and pieces of my life, and of other people's lives so that I may know what I need to know in order to make a statement that will matter to the person or persons I am writing for.  Unfortunately, when I write of these things, and the leash is taken off my fingers, I know that I am supposed to be discussing what I bring up, but I am increasingly aware that it may not suit any audience here at Ahavat Elohim...at least those members that are writing here.  And yet, the topics are difficult to discuss anywhere else.

Oddly, one point sticks out to me...about my ability to express myself on a keyboard that does not relate to the type of writing you yourself do. You teach, and seek to present information in an orderly fashion to convince others of what you understand to be so as you see it presented in the Scriptures, or by others who have taught you from the Scriptures and other relevant documents. You are transferring information that is verifiable to a great extent.  I know how to do this to some degree, but I find it doesn't fit at all what I am being drawn to discuss, nor does it suit much of what I am given to understand a little of.  

I, when I write of anything, tend to describe and explain those things that I have experienced and thus come to understand, whether directly, or in a dream or vision, so that I understand the things I need to describe...that I am being drawn to describe. What I am being shown one on one with G-d is not of any great importance in a religious sense as far as I can tell, but seems to be to be important in approaching how we are to live as Believers in Yeshua in our intimate relationship with him in the times that will soon be upon us.

I think it places me in the position of being a philosopher, rather than a teacher as you are. And thus, when I speak of the Ruach loosening my fingers to express myself, I am not, I think, being given any ability to enlighten in the way you do as to facts within Scripture, unless I deliberately focus on such a topic, but I am instead being enabled to describe the nuances and extremem edges of the topics discussed in your writing, and the writing of others here.  It is easiest for me to know that my fingertips are being used a bit here and there by the Ruach because I am given information that I know I did not have prior to the time I wrote of it.

I do not know if anything I discuss via a keyboard has value as does what you are writing in the way you are writing it, and I am aware that what I am doing with words is not at all what you are doing with them. Yet for some reason, I feel compelled and led of G-d to continue my haphazard discussion of many things described in the Scriptures only briefly, and merely hinted at by those who perhaps did not wish to discuss them at the time they were written.

Does this clarify anything I have been attempting to say in this thread? Or have I muddied the waters further?

[alon]

Jan 4, 2018 22:25:47 GMT -8 Questor said:

... Believer who hears a great deal of answers to questions in the visions of the night, and yet never receives something of use except in understanding what it is in Scripture, but generally only lightly touched on, and of interest it seems to very few. ... what I learn is only clarification of what is discussed in Scripture, generally in the prophecies, and yet is not directly about what is to come in the future, nor is it necessarily what I am writing about at that particular time. ... Abba merely is kind enough to answer the questions I have that no one else can answer, and then at one and the same time smacks me firmly with the information while pointing out what I need to change in my behavior in order to cope ... Understanding of a lot of non-useful matters is what I am given, and often these things I have no direct use for.  I also receive a great deal of very clear teaching on what I am doing wrong or handling badly during the strange conversations I have with G-d. ... Often I am shown things that explain to me bits and pieces of my life, and of other people's lives ...

Questor, what you are describing there are dreams. Nothing more. Dreams sort things out for us while we sleep, when there are no distractions. I think you may be making too much of them.

... , as if the understanding I am supposed to gain will help me in these things, ...

Which is the whole point of dreaming. It helps us understand.

Oddly, one point sticks out to me...about my ability to express myself on a keyboard that does not relate to the type of writing you yourself do. You teach, and seek to present information in an orderly fashion to convince others of what you understand to be so as you see it presented in the Scriptures, or by others who have taught you from the Scriptures and other relevant documents. You are transferring information that is verifiable to a great extent.  I know how to do this to some degree, but I find it doesn't fit at all what I am being drawn to discuss, nor does it suit much of what I am given to understand a little of.

Well, I see no reason you can't write to convince others of what you see in scripture. It just takes work.  

I, when I write of anything, tend to describe and explain those things that I have experienced and thus come to understand, whether directly, or in a dream or vision, so that I understand the things I need to describe...that I am being drawn to describe. What I am being shown one on one with G-d is not of any great importance in a religious sense as far as I can tell, but seems to be to be important in approaching how we are to live as Believers in Yeshua in our intimate relationship with him in the times that will soon be upon us.

No, it's your journey; where you are at right now in your walk. No one else. We all have our own dreams to sort out the muck.

I think it places me in the position of being a philosopher, rather than a teacher as you are. And thus, when I speak of the Ruach loosening my fingers to express myself, I am not, I think, being given any ability to enlighten in the way you do as to facts within Scripture, unless I deliberately focus on such a topic, but I am instead being enabled to describe the nuances and extremem edges of the topics discussed in your writing, and the writing of others here.  It is easiest for me to know that my fingertips are being used a bit here and there by the Ruach because I am given information that I know I did not have prior to the time I wrote of it.

The problem is dreams can be chaotic, and since you just sit and hammer out a description of what you dreamed your writing too is chaotic; undisciplined. And that makes it difficult to follow. And since it is about your journey most will not put in the effort to sort it all out.

I do not know if anything I discuss via a keyboard has value as does what you are writing in the way you are writing it, and I am aware that what I am doing with words is not at all what you are doing with them. Yet for some reason, I feel compelled and led of G-d to continue my haphazard discussion of many things described in the Scriptures only briefly, and merely hinted at by those who perhaps did not wish to discuss them at the time they were written.

If it has therapeutic value for you then it is worth it. If it helps you to understand then go ahead. But if you are writing to inform others, here or on your blog, then you need to work more on your writing. And seriously, unless you can back up what's going on in your dreams with scriptural or other reference, then it has no value to you or anyone else. Bring it all back to . Otherwise what you received as understanding has no spiritual value, unless of the wrong spirit. I dream things that go against all the time, but I sure don't post them here! I'll give an example:

I dreamed about shoplifting the other night. I got the item (which wasn't clear what it was), but I just couldn't get out of the store. So what does that mean; I'm going to jail? I want to steal? No, I think it had more to do with the fact I had been trying to get someone to do something. I had all the better arguments and reasons why, but the fact is they were never going to do as I wanted. I stole all their arguments and reduced their resistance to blithering idiocy and then just plain digging in their heels and saying no. I was in effect 'walking around the store with the whole argument in my hand,' but I was never going to get out of the place as long as I held onto it. That's how dreams work. They tell us in pictures what our minds can't figure out in words. Or sometimes they may speak to us. But whatever is said is tangential to the real topic. Try harder to figure out what they are really telling you and less what you think they are telling others.

Now if those dreams are clearly telling you to do something immoral, something against , then you have a serious problem. And God is not the author of confusion. So if you are confused, either you are reading too much into the chaos of dreams or some "thing" is influencing you against the Ruach HaKodesh. And you need to figure out which it is.

[Questor]

Jan 5, 2018 3:38:43 GMT -8 alon said:

Jan 4, 2018 22:25:47 GMT -8 Questor said:

... Believer who hears a great deal of answers to questions in the visions of the night, and yet never receives something of use except in understanding what it is in Scripture, but generally only lightly touched on, and of interest it seems to very few. ... what I learn is only clarification of what is discussed in Scripture, generally in the prophecies, and yet is not directly about what is to come in the future, nor is it necessarily what I am writing about at that particular time. ... Abba merely is kind enough to answer the questions I have that no one else can answer, and then at one and the same time smacks me firmly with the information while pointing out what I need to change in my behavior in order to cope ... Understanding of a lot of non-useful matters is what I am given, and often these things I have no direct use for.  I also receive a great deal of very clear teaching on what I am doing wrong or handling badly during the strange conversations I have with G-d. ... Often I am shown things that explain to me bits and pieces of my life, and of other people's lives ...

Questor, what you are describing there are dreams. Nothing more. Dreams sort things out for us while we sleep, when there are no distractions. I think you may be making too much of them.

... , as if the understanding I am supposed to gain will help me in these things, ...

Which is the whole point of dreaming. It helps us understand.




Yes, I enjoy dreaming...regular dreams. They are so easy, and irrelevent, and never linger in my thoughts except to say, "that was weird!"  Or whatever.

For a very long time now I have been attempting to communicate in what words I can find what I have experienced in honesty and a full attempt to be completely truthful,

I have given my personal history of a waking vision that I received at the time of my baptism; of my mild (by comparison) experiences with the occult because of the vision I received; of my avoidance of all things having to do with ‘perceived information’ for over thirty years following that time, and of the brief series of visions that were given me between 2006 and 2009…all of which are informational, instructional, and not prophetic.

I have stated my continuing experience of ‘night visions’, which although may be termed dreams, are not merely a reception of insight, or pictures of things that are, but also the intense waking discussion of the information received with the Ruach haKodesh that follows these ‘night visions’. The information in the dreams or ‘night visions’ are giving me a vivid enactment of instructional episodes of not of what will be, nor even what is, nor what has already happened, but how these events in the ‘night visions’ or dreams describe how prophecy in the Scriptures that is yet to occur will be perceived by those humans that will experience them.

Each dream or night vision is complete in itself, not as a specific reality nor of a future event, but is an instruction to me of what to tell others when such events are fulfilled according to prophecies given in the Scriptures, apparently at the time they occur, since no one wishes to discuss them now. They are illustrations of what is already written, and planned by G-d, but are not given to me as specific warnings of any event, time of that event, location, or even persons involved in each particular event that will occur. And I remember them in concrete, living color...not as vividly as when I saw them, but with complete if concise recall, which is the only reason I know that I am not just 'dreaming'.

As best I can discover, what I am given to see and then what I discuss, point by point with Abba at these times, is a kind of show and tell to describe what is very briefly delineated in Scripture. The information is given not to foretell events, for no events are specifically given as to time, place, or personages, however, what I see, and then discuss in full awareness of being awake, and in communication with Abba, are not vague, and irrelevant minglings of emotions and occurrence that derive from the normal processing of information in one’s sleep as a dream. I have those experiences as well, in much greater proportion to what is much like watching a video, and yet feeling what is being experienced by those involved.

There is indeed no apparent use for the information that I receive for the present moment, except having knowledge that will enable me to be able to describe or interpret an event when it comes, and thus react to it properly…since what I am being shown is merely an experience of future events that have not yet occurred.

After each of these ‘night visions’ follows a short, but clarifying conversation of what I have seen… my telling Abba what I got from what I was shown, followed by corrections of my understanding of what I was given in what I have heard, seen and felt of how the future will be perceived by Believers and non-Believers during these events. Evidently, the process of giving me such information is ordinary to G-d, and certainly important to him, else I cannot see why I am being singled out for such instruction. I am not likely to be directly involved in such events personally, so I can only assume that others are being taught this way as well, even if people are not yet willing to go public with what is very difficult to communicate to others.

Consequently, what I see, and learn, and discuss with Abba is never exactly pleasant, and always, always points out a need for biblically described action of what is right to do in the circumstances just given to me. I cannot say that I enjoy the teachings I am being given, because they are always about difficult events that are to come, and that many of us will face in a future that grows more and more uncertain. I do however, greatly enjoy the level of communication I have with Abba, for despite the difficult situations I am being shown, I get to see and hear a rehearsal of what will come without having any burden of prophetic responsibility. It is apparent to me that I am to understand what is going on clearly, and to be ready with the information I have been given against the future events I am experiencing, but I have not been told specifically what to write or where to write about it.

What I am given to see and to later discuss with Abba relates to what I need to do personally, now, to prepare for these events emotionally and spiritually, and sometimes I am given directions to follow. Consequently, I have been able to discern that none of the things that I am being given to see are going to be particularly unique in the future. I am grateful for the preparation and would describe what I see during these times were anyone interested, but they are not interested. People dislike preparing for difficult times, for persecution, for the crumbling of societal norms, and certainly do not wish to admit anyone might be thinking in these terms. Certainly, Abba is showing that I must think about these things that I am being shown, and how those that trust in him need to be prepared.

I am also given to understand that I am to discuss in writing the potentiality of what I see with anyone who is willing to discuss it as soon as I can figure out how to do this, and with whom to discuss it. Thus I have tried to explain that I am seeing, which mostly what might be considered warnings, directions, and instructional teaching of what is already written in the Scriptures, and what is plain to see is coming on the horizon.










The list following shows several Scriptural examples of non-prophetic communication in dreams and visions that are meant to warn, and instruct those having the dreams or visions without being prophetic of events to come. Instead, they discussing what already is present reality, and are about what is currently best to do by the person involved for optimum future results.





Warning to change actions given as information given in a Dream/Vision
Warning to change actions given as direct communication given in a Dream/Vision
Explanations and Conversation with G-d given in a Dream/Vision.



Genesis 20:3-7 (CJB)
3 But God came to Avimelekh in a dream one night and said to him, “You are about to die because of the woman you have taken, since she is someone’s wife.”
4 Now Avimelekh had not come near her; so he said, “Lord, will you kill even an upright nation?
5 Didn’t he himself say to me, ‘She is my sister’? And even she herself said, ‘He is my brother.’ In doing this, my heart has been pure and my hands innocent.”
6 God said to him in the dream, “Yes, I know that in doing this, your heart has been pure; and I too have kept you from sinning against me. This is why I didn’t let you touch her.
7 Therefore, return the man’s wife to him now. He is a prophet, and he will pray for you, so that you will live. But if you don’t return her, know that you will certainly die — you and all who belong to you.”

Genesis 31:10-13 (CJB)
10 Once, when the animals were mating, I had a dream: I looked up and there in front of me the male goats which mated with the females were streaked, speckled and mottled.
11 Then, in the dream, the angel of God said to me, ‘Ya‘akov!’ and I replied, ‘Here I am.’
12 He continued, ‘Raise your eyes now, and look: all the male goats mating with the females are streaked, speckled and mottled; for I have seen everything Lavan has been doing to you.
13 I am the God of Beit-El, where you anointed a standing-stone with oil, where you vowed your vow to me. Now get up, get out of this land, and return to the land where you were born.’”

Genesis 31:24 (CJB)
24 But God came to Lavan the Arami in a dream that night and said to him, “Be careful that you don’t say anything to Ya‘akov, either good or bad.”

Matthew 1:20-21 (CJB)
20 But while he was thinking about this, an angel of Adonai appeared to him in a dream and said, “Yosef, son of David, do not be afraid to take Miryam home with you as your wife; for what has been conceived in her is from the Ruach HaKodesh.
21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to name him Yeshua, [which means ‘Adonai saves,’] because he will save his people from their sins.”

Matthew 2:12 (CJB)
12 But they had been warned in a dream not to return to Herod, so they took another route back to their own country.

Matthew 2:19-20 (CJB)
19 After Herod’s death, an angel of Adonai appeared in a dream to Yosef in Egypt
20 and said, “Get up, take the child and his mother, and go to Eretz-Yisra’el, for those who wanted to kill the child are dead.”

Matthew 27:19 (CJB)
19 While he was sitting in court, his wife sent him a message, “Leave that innocent man alone. Today in a dream I suffered terribly because of him.”

Acts 2:17-21 (CJB)
17 ‘Adonai says: “In the Last Days, I will pour out from my Spirit upon everyone. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.
18 Even on my slaves, both men and women, will I pour out from my Spirit in those days; and they will prophesy.
19 I will perform miracles in the sky above and signs on the earth below — blood, fire and thick smoke.
20 The sun will become dark and the moon blood before the great and fearful Day of Adonai comes.
21 And then, whoever calls on the name of Adonai will be saved.”’

[jimmie]

You missed a few dreamers and visionaries: Abram, Joseph, Pharoah, his baker, cup bearer, Sammuel, Daniel, Nathan, Peter, Paul, Ananius. But not a single one of them seeked for the dream or vision.

[Elizabeth]

Prayers for you Questor as you sort this out. I don't know what to say except that because i am really tentative after my recent experience with demonic attack. I have never been involved in occultic activity so I was blindsided. I was deceived in ignorance that capitalized on my isolation, need for spiritual fellowship, and the anger I had toward my family situation. satan knew my perceived spiritual needs and hostile feelings about family situation hindering me from serving G-d and exploited them. I thought I was hearing from G-d, but what I was told never happened so I know I wasn't. Next thing I know I was harassed be countless voices and confusion about what I have to do and why I can't do it.

The hard part is that I now struggle with trusting G-d and when I am hearing from G-d because I am afraid of being deceived again. I don't know for sure what He is teaching me, but I know He is making me spiritually stronger and in scripture reading He fellowships with me so I know I am not alone. He helps me fight in evil dreams and wakes me up before they get too bad. The other night, I prayed that He would wake me up instead of setting my clock because I have such a hard time waking up in the morning after whatever I might go through, and He woke me up with a dream of being a part of a group of people worshipping Him. He is here, but quiet to the specific issue I want Him to speak to. I am the servant and He is a gracious and understanding G-d, so He will speak to what He wants and I understand more about our relationship. It's good.

I don't know, but if you find yourself unwilling to pray that G-d take it away if it's not from Him, that could be a possible red flag. I was given false hope about serving G-d and that's hard to let go of, but I am and am working through it with G-d. Continued prayers appreciated, however.

The two times I know I heard from G-d unquestionably involved a humbling to the point of total but confident obedience that involved no fear or whatsoever followed by a conviction to confess and reconcile with someone I sinned against.

The first time was also when He poured His Spirit on me. He woke me up at 6:00am after a dream. I had a nasty dream where I was trying to get insects out of my mouth. As I was taking them out desperate and disgusted. I would get a hand full out, and there would be another. I realized they were locusts. I knew locusts were kosher because I had been reading more in the and John had ate them. Yet it was nasty and filthy. The phrase, "it's what comes out of the mouth that defiles a person" went through my mind and I knew he was calling me out on my hateful mouth from the day before.

I stood up while thinking what am I doing getting up, but doing it nonetheless, almost just automatic.I didn't even know where I was going. I just knew I needed to pray. I ended up in the den trembling and crying only able to repeat over and over in my head the first line of the Shemah (in English as I had not yet even thought about learning the Hebrew) followed by "and you shall love your neighbor as yourself". I couldn't get past that but was trying to.

Then I fell to the floor intentionally, because I wanted to, and He said,"from the dust you came, and to the dust you will return, but I will lift you up." I said, "I'm not getting up till you tell me what to do." and He said, "Go and be reconciled." Again, all this was "said" in my head. He said the last regarding terrible things I had said to my husband the day before. The scary part was how sickly satisfied I had felt in saying them, so I know G-d rescued me from real evil that morning. I immediately woke my husband up and told him the whole story.

The second time I didn't have words exchanged it was just a powerful and unquestionable conviction to confess. I confessed something I didn't know how it would come out, how it would turn out, or what the ramifications would be. Again, it was almost automatic, and I wasn't scared or ashamed. It was just confess it and let what happens happen knowing G-d was with me and convicting me.

Part of the reason I have been searching so hard on here to know what it means to be a servant of G-d is because in my experience with demonic stuff, I am ashamed to admit this but this is something apparently many of us will have to deal with as satan is attacking us, was that G-d became more about what He was doing for me than what I could do for Him. That's the best marker I have at this time based on what I went through for discerning when I am hearing from Him because even my sincere and earnest desire to serve the G-d of Israel was exploited. The one thing I can see was the times I had turned the attitude of the servitude relationship around. We know He is always there for us and that He defends us but that was what was subtly exploited as it became more about what can G-d do for me. My intentions were on point, but my impatience because of fear of losing opportunity to serve Him was targeted as well as feeling like my home life is the main hindrance to making my life count for Him.

[Questor]

Jan 5, 2018 16:40:00 GMT -8 jimmie said:

You missed a few dreamers and visionaries: Abram, Joseph, Pharoah, his baker, cup bearer, Sammuel, Daniel, Nathan, Peter, Paul, Ananius. But not a single one of them seeked for the dream or vision.

I skipped a lot of dreams and visions in Scripture because they were directly prophetic, as opposed to informational or instructional.

Perhaps there were people who, being trained prophets fasted and prayed and meditated until they were given what they saw...but although any information of this type is fascinating to experience...it is not something that anyone would seek to be given as prophecy, since it generally got the prophet killed.

It makes me glad I have never seen anything from G-d that was ever about what is specifically to occur as a known future event and thus would need to be broadcast as such.

[Questor]

Jan 5, 2018 19:16:13 GMT -8 Elizabeth said:

Prayers for you Questor as you sort this out. I don't know what to say except that because i am really tentative after my recent experience with demonic attack. I have never been involved in occultic activity so I was blindsided. I was deceived in ignorance that capitalized on my isolation, need for spiritual fellowship, and the anger I had toward my family situation. satan knew my perceived spiritual needs and hostile feelings about family situation hindering me from serving G-d and exploited them. I thought I was hearing from G-d, but what I was told never happened so I know I wasn't. Next thing I know I was harassed be countless voices and confusion about what I have to do and why I can't do it.

The hard part is that I now struggle with trusting G-d and when I am hearing from G-d because I am afraid of being deceived again. I don't know for sure what He is teaching me, but I know He is making me spiritually stronger and in scripture reading He fellowships with me so I know I am not alone. He helps me fight in evil dreams and wakes me up before they get too bad. The other night, I prayed that He would wake me up instead of setting my clock because I have such a hard time waking up in the morning after whatever I might go through, and He woke me up with a dream of being a part of a group of people worshipping Him. He is here, but quiet to the specific issue I want Him to speak to. I am the servant and He is a gracious and understanding G-d, so He will speak to what He wants and I understand more about our relationship. It's good.

I don't know, but if you find yourself unwilling to pray that G-d take it away if it's not from Him, that could be a possible red flag. I was given false hope about serving G-d and that's hard to let go of, but I am and am working through it with G-d. Continued prayers appreciated, however.

The two times I know I heard from G-d unquestionably involved a humbling to the point of total but confident obedience that involved no fear or whatsoever followed by a conviction to confess and reconcile with someone I sinned against.

The first time was also when He poured His Spirit on me. He woke me up at 6:00am after a dream. I had a nasty dream where I was trying to get insects out of my mouth. As I was taking them out desperate and disgusted. I would get a hand full out, and there would be another. I realized they were locusts. I knew locusts were kosher because I had been reading more in the and John had ate them. Yet it was nasty and filthy. The phrase, "it's what comes out of the mouth that defiles a person" went through my mind and I knew he was calling me out on my hateful mouth from the day before.

I stood up while thinking what am I doing getting up, but doing it nonetheless, almost just automatic.I didn't even know where I was going. I just knew I needed to pray. I ended up in the den trembling and crying only able to repeat over and over in my head the first line of the Shemah (in English as I had not yet even thought about learning the Hebrew) followed by "and you shall love your neighbor as yourself". I couldn't get past that but was trying to.

Then I fell to the floor intentionally, because I wanted to, and He said,"from the dust you came, and to the dust you will return, but I will lift you up." I said, "I'm not getting up till you tell me what to do." and He said, "Go and be reconciled." Again, all this was "said" in my head. He said the last regarding terrible things I had said to my husband the day before. The scary part was how sickly satisfied I had felt in saying them, so I know G-d rescued me from real evil that morning. I immediately woke my husband up and told him the whole story.

The second time I didn't have words exchanged it was just a powerful and unquestionable conviction to confess. I confessed something I didn't know how it would come out, how it would turn out, or what the ramifications would be. Again, it was almost automatic, and I wasn't scared or ashamed. It was just confess it and let what happens happen knowing G-d was with me and convicting me.

Part of the reason I have been searching so hard on here to know what it means to be a servant of G-d is because in my experience with demonic stuff, I am ashamed to admit this but this is something apparently many of us will have to deal with as satan is attacking us, was that G-d became more about what He was doing for me than what I could do for Him. That's the best marker I have at this time based on what I went through for discerning when I am hearing from Him because even my sincere and earnest desire to serve the G-d of Israel was exploited. The one thing I can see was the times I had turned the attitude of the servitude relationship around. We know He is always there for us and that He defends us but that was what was subtly exploited as it became more about what can G-d do for me. My intentions were on point, but my impatience because of fear of losing opportunity to serve Him was targeted as well as feeling like my home life is the main hindrance to making my life count for Him.

You are indeed having a very difficult time, and it sounds as if this is a very sudden situation as if some vulnerability was being exploited...to take your attention from what G-d wants for you. Fortunately, what G-d wants is safely written down, whereas what the Adversary wants is almost always an attempt to take us off a path of righteousness. The more of Scripture you pound into your being and luxuriate in, the better for your protection. Often just reading Scripture aloud can calm these times, as can listening to a recording of the Scriptures being read.

That is how it was for me in my early walk, trying desperately to find out which was the narrow path, and where it led on a daily basis, since one's perceptions and one's actions are not necessarily tied together, and I knew very little when I began and was so soon pulled by perceptions I did not understand into seeking what I should not have looked for. Fortunately, the Ruach kept me safe through my exploration of the edges of darkness, and he can and will protect you every step of the way now, but it simply does not always appear to be so.

I knew relatively little at the time all of this started some 47 years ago...it was not thought necessary, I suppose, but it was very necessary and is our protection...the shield of faith, and the Word as our sword. More and more I see the Word as a covering...not just as Yeshua, but in the actual words themselves being a weapon.

As for what G-d wants of his servants...it is very plain...to love him and to love one another. The simplicity of what we are to do, however, does not make it easy to accomplish, because we do not know how to love as Abba would have us do...and we are here to find that out in a world that seems to be set on making us forget that.

I will be praying for you to find your way through each and every distraction raised against you.

[alon]

Jan 5, 2018 15:40:58 GMT -8 Questor said:

And how is that not prophecy? Direct communication with The Almighty? Taught by HaShem Himself? Given a mandate to help others with how they should feel about future events? You are seeking to be acknowledged as a prophet here. Yet you admit to confusion about it all, and even who and what God is. Some Biblical prophets got a bit sideways at times, but none was always confused; and they all knew the God they served- who and what He is.

Dan C

[Elizabeth]

Jan 5, 2018 19:58:49 GMT -8 Questor said:

Jan 5, 2018 19:16:13 GMT -8 Elizabeth said:

Prayers for you Questor as you sort this out. I don't know what to say except that because i am really tentative after my recent experience with demonic attack. I have never been involved in occultic activity so I was blindsided. I was deceived in ignorance that capitalized on my isolation, need for spiritual fellowship, and the anger I had toward my family situation. satan knew my perceived spiritual needs and hostile feelings about family situation hindering me from serving G-d and exploited them. I thought I was hearing from G-d, but what I was told never happened so I know I wasn't. Next thing I know I was harassed be countless voices and confusion about what I have to do and why I can't do it.

The hard part is that I now struggle with trusting G-d and when I am hearing from G-d because I am afraid of being deceived again. I don't know for sure what He is teaching me, but I know He is making me spiritually stronger and in scripture reading He fellowships with me so I know I am not alone. He helps me fight in evil dreams and wakes me up before they get too bad. The other night, I prayed that He would wake me up instead of setting my clock because I have such a hard time waking up in the morning after whatever I might go through, and He woke me up with a dream of being a part of a group of people worshipping Him. He is here, but quiet to the specific issue I want Him to speak to. I am the servant and He is a gracious and understanding G-d, so He will speak to what He wants and I understand more about our relationship. It's good.

I don't know, but if you find yourself unwilling to pray that G-d take it away if it's not from Him, that could be a possible red flag. I was given false hope about serving G-d and that's hard to let go of, but I am and am working through it with G-d. Continued prayers appreciated, however.

The two times I know I heard from G-d unquestionably involved a humbling to the point of total but confident obedience that involved no fear or whatsoever followed by a conviction to confess and reconcile with someone I sinned against.

The first time was also when He poured His Spirit on me. He woke me up at 6:00am after a dream. I had a nasty dream where I was trying to get insects out of my mouth. As I was taking them out desperate and disgusted. I would get a hand full out, and there would be another. I realized they were locusts. I knew locusts were kosher because I had been reading more in the and John had ate them. Yet it was nasty and filthy. The phrase, "it's what comes out of the mouth that defiles a person" went through my mind and I knew he was calling me out on my hateful mouth from the day before.

I stood up while thinking what am I doing getting up, but doing it nonetheless, almost just automatic.I didn't even know where I was going. I just knew I needed to pray. I ended up in the den trembling and crying only able to repeat over and over in my head the first line of the Shemah (in English as I had not yet even thought about learning the Hebrew) followed by "and you shall love your neighbor as yourself". I couldn't get past that but was trying to.

Then I fell to the floor intentionally, because I wanted to, and He said,"from the dust you came, and to the dust you will return, but I will lift you up." I said, "I'm not getting up till you tell me what to do." and He said, "Go and be reconciled." Again, all this was "said" in my head. He said the last regarding terrible things I had said to my husband the day before. The scary part was how sickly satisfied I had felt in saying them, so I know G-d rescued me from real evil that morning. I immediately woke my husband up and told him the whole story.

The second time I didn't have words exchanged it was just a powerful and unquestionable conviction to confess. I confessed something I didn't know how it would come out, how it would turn out, or what the ramifications would be. Again, it was almost automatic, and I wasn't scared or ashamed. It was just confess it and let what happens happen knowing G-d was with me and convicting me.

Part of the reason I have been searching so hard on here to know what it means to be a servant of G-d is because in my experience with demonic stuff, I am ashamed to admit this but this is something apparently many of us will have to deal with as satan is attacking us, was that G-d became more about what He was doing for me than what I could do for Him. That's the best marker I have at this time based on what I went through for discerning when I am hearing from Him because even my sincere and earnest desire to serve the G-d of Israel was exploited. The one thing I can see was the times I had turned the attitude of the servitude relationship around. We know He is always there for us and that He defends us but that was what was subtly exploited as it became more about what can G-d do for me. My intentions were on point, but my impatience because of fear of losing opportunity to serve Him was targeted as well as feeling like my home life is the main hindrance to making my life count for Him.

You are indeed having a very difficult time, and it sounds as if this is a very sudden situation as if some vulnerability was being exploited...to take your attention from what G-d wants for you. Fortunately, what G-d wants is safely written down, whereas what the Adversary wants is almost always an attempt to take us off a path of righteousness. The more of Scripture you pound into your being and luxuriate in, the better for your protection. Often just reading Scripture aloud can calm these times, as can listening to a recording of the Scriptures being read.

That is how it was for me in my early walk, trying desperately to find out which was the narrow path, and where it led on a daily basis, since one's perceptions and one's actions are not necessarily tied together, and I knew very little when I began and was so soon pulled by perceptions I did not understand into seeking what I should not have looked for. Fortunately, the Ruach kept me safe through my exploration of the edges of darkness, and he can and will protect you every step of the way now, but it simply does not always appear to be so.

I knew relatively little at the time all of this started some 47 years ago...it was not thought necessary, I suppose, but it was very necessary and is our protection...the shield of faith, and the Word as our sword. More and more I see the Word as a covering...not just as Yeshua, but in the actual words themselves being a weapon.

As for what G-d wants of his servants...it is very plain...to love him and to love one another. The simplicity of what we are to do, however, does not make it easy to accomplish, because we do not know how to love as Abba would have us do...and we are here to find that out in a world that seems to be set on making us forget that.

I will be praying for you to find your way through each and every distraction raised against you.

Thank you, and it was extremely sudden from my perspective. Now my faith is shaken because I didn't see it coming and thought we were on the same page so that's the hard part. I have faith in G-d and His will but for me specifically I struggle simply because I am afraid of believing wrongly and again being lead astray.

[alon]

Jan 6, 2018 6:35:30 GMT -8 Elizabeth said:

Thank you, and it was extremely sudden from my perspective. Now my faith is shaken because I didn't see it coming and thought we were on the same page so that's the hard part. I have faith in G-d and His will but for me specifically I struggle simply because I am afraid of believing wrongly and again being lead astray.

All of us are human. We doubt, we fail, but we can learn. You, me, Questor; all of us go through the same things just in different ways and circumstances. But all these are our individual opportunities for HaShem to teach us what we need to know. We can come out of the experience better prepared for whatever comes next in our lives. Or we can give in to ha'satan and say it's just too hard. I have faith that the two of you will learn. I'm not so sure about me though. The Almighty usually has to smite me several times to get the point across. Baruch HaShem, He is patient and long suffering. But we make mistakes and we try again. Because mistakes aside, the worst thing we can do is nothing. He has a plan for us; ours is to stay the course which is laid out for us:

Revelation 3:8, 12 (ESV)  “‘I know your works. Behold, I have set before you an open door, which no one is able to shut. I know that you have but little power, and yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. ... The one who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name.

Dan C