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Post by chrisg on Apr 11, 2016 3:33:51 GMT -8
Honestly, they make me laugh (or they would if it wasn't so  ). One of them has just posted: Luke 16:16 ....The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. If they had bothered to read the following verse.... And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail. |
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Post by alon on Apr 11, 2016 4:49:07 GMT -8
Honestly, they make me laugh (or they would if it wasn't so ). One of them has just posted: Luke 16:16 ....The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. If they had bothered to read the following verse.... And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail. Yes, almost all of their cherry picked scriptural proofs can be destroyed just by having them read it in context. However they have to want to see the truth, while the reality is they want to stay with what they were taught. It is all on them, and there is nothing you can do about it. Unfortunately you WILL have to get used to that, as well as the name calling. You can't make them acknowledge the simple truth, and as I said your very existence is an affront to them. So they will "retaliate" and, in their deluded state they think they are right to do so. The idea of the Crusader, defender of the faith and all that runs deep in their psyche, and some may even see themselves as some kind of heroic figure. The best we can do is stand always ready to talk to those who will listen.
My advice is to leave the Christian chat rooms. There they do see you as an invader and trust me, there is none so brave in attacking you as a keyboard-commando. We used to get them on a martial arts forum I was on all the time. We wanted to talk technique and training ideas, they wanted to talk tough and challenge everyone. We got rid of them pretty quickly. But they were just ever so courageous there in the safety of their home typing threats to anonymous opponents. I used to go to a forum that had different sections for different Christian denominations, and they had one for Messianics. It was bad enough that we got everything from Hebrew Roots to Ebionites to cults on there. But we'd also get a lot of crossover from other Christian groups trying to set us straight. I finally left because the Dispensationalists took it over. Life's too short to argue with liars who spout Dispensationalism while calling themselves Messianic- especially when I could go straight to their own section and find their name and posts.
You are starting on a great adventure of discovery in the truth of God's Word. Best advice is to concentrate in growing there, and on your family. Be ready to talk to those who want to hear, but otherwise I'd leave them to their own devices. They know who you are, and most who want to know will come to you. Others, and sadly these are within our own camp, will start on the truth but then are seduced by our own version of the dark side: Ebionism, Sacred names, Two House, cults, or just those who do not want any direction but just want to do this their way. Really? You left because Christianity was telling God how they would worship Him, now they want to tell me they will tell God how they will worship? Yes, it happens. And these are the kinds of things that will also be thrown in your face when Christians argue against you as well.
It isn't easy, but then following the truth never is; as you found out with homeschooling.
Dan C
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Post by jimmie on Apr 11, 2016 4:58:13 GMT -8
I forgot one other point:
Acts 10:15 And the voice spoke unto him a second time, what God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
God didn't have a problem with the animals Peter was considering unclean. He did have a problem with those he considered common.
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Post by jimmie on Apr 11, 2016 5:08:35 GMT -8
[/p] It isn't easy, but then following the truth never is; as you found out with homeschooling.
Dan C
[/quote] alon, I know what you are saying but ultimately: Proverbs 13:15 Good understanding giveth favour: but the way of transgressors is hard. |
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Post by chrisg on Apr 11, 2016 5:58:39 GMT -8
It isn't easy, but then following the truth never is; as you found out with homeschooling.
Dan C
I don't think he realised what he was saying, but one guy said that to teach law above the teachings of the Lord and the Apostles is to teach heresy. As I said, I don't think he realised what he had said, but he just called the Lord's and the Apostles' teaching 'heresy'! |
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Post by chrisg on Apr 11, 2016 6:00:48 GMT -8
I forgot one other point: Acts 10:15 And the voice spoke unto him a second time, what God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. God didn't have a problem with the animals Peter was considering unclean. He did have a problem with those he considered common. And I have learned what the difference between common and unclean is - one is 'unclean' by association - such as when you spill food on your sweater; the other is unclean for food because it was not created to be eaten in the first place. I maybe haven't explained that too well, but that's the gist of how I understand it. |
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Post by jimmie on Apr 12, 2016 17:30:26 GMT -8
Honestly, they make me laugh (or they would if it wasn't so ). One of them has just posted: Luke 16:16 ....The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. If they had bothered to read the following verse.... And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail. Or reading the last verse of the chapter: Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. If you don't hear (hearing involves doing) what Moses and the prophets say you will not be persuaded by Jesus the one who rose from the dead. |
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Post by chrisg on Sept 6, 2016 9:10:45 GMT -8
Another question re eating kosher -
Can something that was kosher to start with become non-kosher if something happens to it? As a bit of a gross example, if a dog stole your meat and you rescued it, would that meat still be kosher? Are there any regulations in the Scripture about what might make something that was kosher not kosher any longer?
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Post by alon on Sept 6, 2016 15:55:43 GMT -8
Another question re eating kosher - Can something that was kosher to start with become non-kosher if something happens to it? As a bit of a gross example, if a dog stole your meat and you rescued it, would that meat still be kosher? Are there any regulations in the Scripture about what might make something that was kosher not kosher any longer? I think you are confusing keeping kashrut with eating things that are polluted. Kashrut is the body of dietary laws in  . Polluted is what happens when it is in a dogs mouth. Then there is ruined, like when food spoils.
Even kosher animals improperly killed or prepared or if sacrificed to idols can be treif (unsuitable for consumption).
Dan C
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Post by chrisg on Sept 6, 2016 23:43:13 GMT -8
So, if a cat or dog licked your beef joint, it would be polluted, but if washed it is still okay to eat it?
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Post by alon on Sept 7, 2016 8:49:36 GMT -8
So, if a cat or dog licked your beef joint, it would be polluted, but if washed it is still okay to eat it? Well, now you are going past scripture and into Halacha; which, since I am not a Rabbi I'm not qualified to answer. But I'd say just imagine what that animal just ate when it was in the alley and if you think you can clean it off good enough, then go ahead. But that is not a halachic ruling- more a rule of thumb.
Dan C
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Post by chrisg on Sept 7, 2016 10:36:48 GMT -8
lol, yes. I know cleanliness is an issue, but if you have an issue like that described, it's good to know it's still okay to eat it and the food isn't spoiled so you have to throw it away.
I need to do more research about halacha I think!
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Post by alon on Sept 11, 2016 18:36:24 GMT -8
chris, here's a scriptural reference to your question:
Leviticus 11:31-40 (ESV) 31 These are unclean to you among all that swarm. Whoever touches them when they are dead shall be unclean until the evening. 32 And anything on which any of them falls when they are dead shall be unclean, whether it is an article of wood or a garment or a skin or a sack, any article that is used for any purpose. It must be put into water, and it shall be unclean until the evening; then it shall be clean. 33 And if any of them falls into any earthenware vessel, all that is in it shall be unclean, and you shall break it. 34 Any food in it that could be eaten, on which water comes, shall be unclean. And all drink that could be drunk from every such vessel shall be unclean. 35 And everything on which any part of their carcass falls shall be unclean. Whether oven or stove, it shall be broken in pieces. They are unclean and shall remain unclean for you. 36 Nevertheless, a spring or a cistern holding water shall be clean, but whoever touches a carcass in them shall be unclean. 37 And if any part of their carcass falls upon any seed grain that is to be sown, it is clean, 38 but if water is put on the seed and any part of their carcass falls on it, it is unclean to you.
39 “And if any animal which you may eat dies, whoever touches its carcass shall be unclean until the evening, 40 and whoever eats of its carcass shall wash his clothes and be unclean until the evening. And whoever carries the carcass shall wash his clothes and be unclean until the evening.
Hope that sheds a little more light on your question. After reading that, I'd say if Phideaux (Fido in the English translations) got ahold of your steak, well, it'd be unclean and unavailable as food.
Dan C
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