Blood Moon

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Ok I have a question. Well, not sure if it is really a question. But majority of Christians and MJs are talking about the Blood Moons that are going to be taking place around April 14th and 15th of this year and also taking place next year. 2014/2015. Which is also during Passover or Pesach. And again in October which some state will be around the Feast of Tabernacles. I am not sure what to think, if it is just a natural occurrence or if it is biblical prophecy. Some believe that there were other Blood moons down through the centuries which relate to Israel and His chosen people.

I do know though that Revelation speaks of blood moons and I believe there is other verses in the bible which states about the moon.

"I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood." Revelation 6:12

"The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord." Acts 2:20

""And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring;" Luke 21:25

""But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light;" Mark 13:24

""Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken."

"The sun and moon will grow dark, And the stars will diminish their brightness." Joel 3:15

"The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord." Joel 2:31

"The earth quakes before them, The heavens tremble; The sun and moon grow dark, And the stars diminish their brightness." Joel 2:10

"When I put out your light, I will cover the heavens, and make its stars dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, And the moon shall not give her light." Ezekiel 32:7

Can someone grant me understanding on this please?

If there is already a thread on this I did not see one unless it is hiding.

MoriaH Ruth

[alon]

First off, those blood moons are predicated on the Hilel calendar, not on the Aviv calendar which God instituted. So I don't put a lot of stock in them.

Second, there are blood moons which are signs in the heavens, and there are also blood moons which are the result of heavy smoke. Both are talked about in the verses you mentioned. When there is serious destruction from God's judgment, the resulting smoke will make the sun and moon appear deep red, bloody. It will even hide the moon. So while watching the signs in the heavens is a good thing to do, interpreting them should be tempered by this idea as well.

Dan C

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What is the Hilel calendar? And how does that compare to the Gregorian calendar which most of the world uses and the Hebrew calendar?

Moriah Ruth

[jimmie]

Lunar eclipses occur every sixth full moon. A blood moon is when there is a total lunar eclipse. Four total lunar eclipse in a row is very rare. Four total lunar eclipse lining up with the holy days is even rarer, due to the 13th month that is added to the Jewish calendar. I think that is done 7 times every 19 years. Frequently blood moons (total lunar eclipse) occur in groups of three followed by a partial lunar eclipse.
Solar eclipses occur only on astronomical new moons within a fortnight of a Lunar eclipse.

For the sun to be dark and the moon red at the same time is not explained by eclipses, since solar and lunar eclipse always occur at least a fortnight apart.

[alon]

Apr 9, 2014 3:40:35 GMT -8 @moriahruth7 said:

What is the Hilel calendar? And how does that compare to the Gregorian calendar which most of the world uses and the Hebrew calendar?

Hillel was Nasi of the Sanhedrin @ 320-385 CE. He is responsible for the adoption of the modern Jewish calendar (the Hilel calendar) which is based on astronomical/mathematical calculations rather than observations of natural events made in Jerusalem. This was necessary because of the diaspora, and there were no priests in Jerusalem to make or verify the necessary observations. This is what is commonly used as the Jewish calendar today.

The Hebrew calendar was set by God each year, as the new religious year was started at the first new moon after the barley was in a state of ripening called the aviv. The entire calendar, and all the feasts were set from these observations which had to be verified by the priests at the Temple in Jerusalem. So it is a lunar calendar, the start of which was set by God each year, and the days went from sundown to sundown.

The Gregorian calendar is the solar calendar commonly used today, with days changing at midnight (the "witching hour"). It was instituted by Pope Gregory III in 1582. His reasons had to do with standardizing Easter (which I never understood) and reorganizing the Julian calendar which was in common use at the time (and which I totally understand, having used Julian calendars in the military- they are a pain to use as they just number the days, 1-365).

Dan C

edit: guess I should add that a Hebrew calendar month has 30 days, while the Gregorian months have varying numbers of days arbitrarily set. Gregorian uses leap years where a day is added, while both Jewish calendars use leap months to adjust.

[jimmie]

Abib is not mentioned in Gen 1:14. The wave offering during unleavened bread could consist of green ears, parched corn or be ready to grind.

[alon]

Apr 9, 2014 14:23:40 GMT -8 jimmie said:

Abib is not mentioned in Gen 1:14. The wave offering during unleavened bread could consist of green ears, parched corn or be ready to grind.

Gen 1:14 "God said, "Let there be lights in the dome of the sky to divide the day from the night; let them be for signs, seasons, days and years;"

Well, you're sure enough right that aviv isn't in that verse. But what has that got to do with the price of barley? Or corn?

Ex 13:3-5 "Moshe said to the people, "Remember this day, on which you left Egypt, the abode of slavery; because ADONAI, by the strength of his hand, has brought you out of this place. Do not eat hametz. You are leaving today, in the month of Aviv. When ADONAI brings you into the land of the Kena'ani, Hitti, Emori, Hivi and Y'vusi, which he swore to your ancestors to give you, a land flowing with milk and honey, you are to observe this ceremony in this month.

The month of Aviv, so named because this is the month in which the first grain crop ripens. If the grain was in a state of aviv, it was almost ripe, but still starchy. So by the time of the wave offering it would be ripe.

Lev 23:5-11 "'In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, between sundown and complete darkness, comes Pesach for ADONAI. On the fifteenth day of the same month is the festival of matzah; for seven days you are to eat matzah. On the first day you are to have a holy convocation; don't do any kind of ordinary work. Bring an offering made by fire to ADONAI for seven days. On the seventh day is a holy convocation; do not do any kind of ordinary work.'" ADONAI said to Moshe, "Tell the people of Isra'el, 'After you enter the land I am giving you and harvest its ripe crops, you are to bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the cohen. He is to wave the sheaf before ADONAI, so that you will be accepted; the cohen is to wave it on the day after the Shabbat."

The firstfruits of the harvest is barley. This is why the calendar is set by the barley being in a state of aviv. In this way God sets the calendar each year, as this can occur at different times depending on weather.

Dan C

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Thank you Alon for explaining the differences of the calendars. Blessings to you.

Moriah Ruth

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I had asked my husband this morning on the way to work what he thought of the Blood moon that was being talked about for April 14/15. He stated, "I'm not worried about it. If it happens it happens. Maybe nothing will happen." I asked him what if there was something that happened. He stated that he can't stop it from happening, if it happens it will happen.

End of that discussion.

Moriah Ruth

[jimmie]

alon,

Gen 1:14 appears to be establishing "signs, seasons, days and years" independent from the barley ripening process. Of course God is in control of both processes and man can only observe those processes.

Ex 9:31 And the flax and the barley was smitten: for the barley was in the ear, and the flax was bolled.

Why is abib set by barley alone and not barley and flax? I have never grown barley. But wheat is in the ear for more than a month. I would like to hear from someone who has grown barley as to how long it is in the ear(full size grain to harvestable grain). Does barley ripen faster than flax?

[alon]

Apr 10, 2014 5:39:38 GMT -8 jimmie said:

Gen 1:14 appears to be establishing "signs, seasons, days and years" independent from the barley ripening process. Of course God is in control of both processes and man can only observe those processes.

Yes, the signs in the heavens were set before their effects on crops were. But when assigning the start of the religious year was set, it was done so with regards to both those signs and the ripening of the first grains. You have to read the whole Bible as a unit, not just pull out something that, as you point out at the time was unrelated.

Ex 9:31 And the flax and the barley was smitten: for the barley was in the ear, and the flax was bolled.

Why is abib set by barley alone and not barley and flax? I have never grown barley. But wheat is in the ear for more than a month. I would like to hear from someone who has grown barley as to how long it is in the ear(full size grain to harvestable grain). Does barley ripen faster than flax?

OK, yes, barley ripens before flax.

But don't take my word for it just because I live in a region where all these grains are grown in a dryland process similar to what they'd have had to do in Israel; or because I've hired out to farmers, especially in the harvest, for years. Let's look at a couple of other Bible sources:

Ex 9:30-32 "The flax and barley were ruined, because the barley was ripe and the flax in bud. But the wheat and buckwheat were not ruined, because they come up later."

That is your verse, but from a more readable translation. Bolled, as the KJV puts it, means "in bud", which is more apparent in the updated CJB and others.

2 Sam 21:9 "and handed them over to the Giv'onim, who hanged them on the hill before ADONAI. All seven died; they were put to death during the first days of the harvest season, at the beginning of the barley harvest."

Yep, it's the same in Yisra'el as in the Yew Ess v'Aleph. Barley first.

Dan C

[alon]

Apr 9, 2014 17:26:42 GMT -8 @moriahruth7 said:

I had asked my husband this morning on the way to work what he thought of the Blood moon that was being talked about for April 14/15. He stated, "I'm not worried about it. If it happens it happens. Maybe nothing will happen." I asked him what if there was something that happened. He stated that he can't stop it from happening, if it happens it will happen. End of that discussion.

That is unfortunate, but a common response from Christians as the only prophecies they've studied are Revelation and whatever "OT" prophecies they can cherry-pick to bolster their position on something. They've certainly never studied the feasts as prophecy, since "Jesus fulfilled all that and gave us Easter and Christmas." "They are 'Jewish holidays,' and God would never speak through anything Jewish, now would He?"

I am always amazed at the lengths Christians will go to in order to ignore the truth, or the contortions they will endure to escape it when the truth is thrust in their face. My wife is the same, and she should know better. But the fact is, they don't want to know. So it pains me, but I don't force the issue with her. I just pray that both our spouses will someday come around.

Dan C

[jimmie]

[quote author="alon" source="/post/16286/thread" timestamp="1397145407
Ex 9:30-32 "The flax and barley were ruined, because the barley was ripe and the flax in bud. But the wheat and buckwheat were not ruined, because they come up later."

That is your verse, but from a more readable translation. Bolled, as the KJV puts it, means "in bud", which is more apparent in the updated CJB and others.
Dan C[/quote]
But the barley was not ripe. Aw-beebH24 green ears of corn. Boll is the seed pod not flower bud. Like a cotton boll.

[alon]

Apr 10, 2014 12:39:24 GMT -8 jimmie said:

But the barley was not ripe. Aw-beebH24 green ears of corn. Boll is the seed pod not flower bud. Like a cotton boll.

It is a seed boll at any stage, including its first formation from the bud.

Irrelevant in any case, I've shown in scripture that the barley harvest was the first. And yes, in aviv it is still not ripe. That's why they call it the "aviv stage", not "ripe". However it is almost ripe, to the point it will be ripe in time for the wave offering.

You can argue this all you want, but this is how the religious calendar, as well as the entire calendar for the year was set. Until you show me scripture that says different, I'm going to have to stay with what I've shown you.

Dan C

p.s. Here, I did a quick search and found this for you, from www.triumphpro.com/year-new-look-at-beginning-of.pdf‎:

The Month “Abib”

God says in His Word, “This month shall mark for you the beginning of months; it shall be the first month of the year for you” (Exo.12:1). In that first month Israel was commanded to take a lamb, on the tenth day, and sacrifice it on the 14th day, as the “Passover lamb” (verses 2-6).

In Deuteronomy, God adds, “Observe the month of ABIB by keeping the Passover to the LORD your God, for in the month of ABIB the LORD your God brought you out of Egypt by night” (Deut.16:1).

The month of Abib occurred in the spring. It was the first month of the religious/festival calendar. But how was its precise beginning or first day determined? The key is found in the name of the month itself. The term “Abib” in Hebrew, is from an unused root meaning “to be tender, green, i.e. a young ear of grain; hence the name of the month Abib or Nisan – Abib, ear, green ears of corn” (Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance, #24). The Gesenius Hebrew-English Lexicon defines the term, “an ear of corn, a green ear.”

This term is found first in the Bible in Exodus 9:31, “the barley was in the ear.” Therefore the month of abib is defined by its very name as the month of the first “green ears” or newly developed grain. The grain crop in Israel and the Middle East at the spring of the year is the BARLEY CROP, as seen in Exodus 9:31. Therefore, the first month of the year must conform to the greening, ripening of the heads of BARLEY in the fields in Israel and around Jerusalem!

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Thank you Alon for your input. Blessings