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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2014 3:58:05 GMT -8
A friend of mine had sent me this link for Jewish news and it is Jewish. It is much better then Yahoo news. www.virtualjerusalem.com/news.php?Itemid=11031Has anyone read the "Druggist of Auschwitz" by Dieter Schlesak and John Hargraves (translator) When I read this book it made me angry, cry and question God as to why He allowed such cruelty to happen to His own people by an evil man Hitler. The book goes into detail of how the Germans forced Jewish people to kill their own kind, their own people. To the point that those who were Jewish killing their own people would either commit suicide, or just not have any feelings or seize to exist. They became numb because they did not know how to deal with it. They became robots to an evil man's hatred toward Jewish people. I could go on, however the book is heartbreaking. Below is the link to the book. www.goodreads.com/book/show/9534937-the-druggist-of-auschwitzMoriah Ruth |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2014 4:35:16 GMT -8
Another book that comes to mind is "Sarah's Key" by Tatiana De Rosnay It is a novel however it is based on documentary facts of what happened to the children in France and Paris. Many children were separated from their parents and taken to gas chambers. It is  that France and Paris do not want to admit to this murderous crime. Another tearful book. www.goodreads.com/book/show/556602.Sarah_s_KeyMoriah Ruth |
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Post by Questor on Mar 30, 2014 16:37:24 GMT -8
A friend of mine had sent me this link for Jewish news and it is Jewish. It is much better then Yahoo news. www.virtualjerusalem.com/news.php?Itemid=11031Has anyone read the "Druggist of Auschwitz" by Dieter Schlesak and John Hargraves (translator) When I read this book it made me angry, cry and question God as to why He allowed such cruelty to happen to His own people by an evil man Hitler. The book goes into detail of how the Germans forced Jewish people to kill their own kind, their own people. To the point that those who were Jewish killing their own people would either commit suicide, or just not have any feelings or seize to exist. They became numb because they did not know how to deal with it. They became robots to an evil man's hatred toward Jewish people. I could go on, however the book is heartbreaking. Below is the link to the book. www.goodreads.com/book/show/9534937-the-druggist-of-auschwitzMoriah Ruth
As to the book, I avoid what pains me to read, as I cannot cry easily, and the anger stays in it's stead.
As to questioning YHVH, it is not He that allowed it...it is humans who allowed it. We are in a free will universe, and must bear the consequences of our own inaction.
I have found that it is well to make up one's mind ahead of time as to how to act in certain circumstances before they happen, and remember that our own personal suffering will always be a part of our witness. We have to draw a line in the sand now, not wait to find out what we should do. We must know that there are a few things that we will die over. I know that torture is a problem to face, for it can make one say anything, and do anything. Those in the Holocaust that were trying to stay alive did so because they did not know what they faced. We do.
One needs to object from the moment of being taken and get killed before one is brainwashed by pain and suffering, I think, knowing that at that point there is no way out of that kind of persecution but death.
When the Anti-Christ shows up, there will be no freedom other than in the protection of YHVH, or in death. I will resist, trusting in YHVH, Yehoshua and the Ruach haKadosh.
I want to see Yehoshua come, however, so I will believe for the protection promised in Revelation.
Revelation 3:7-13 (CJB)
7 “To the angel of the Messianic Community in Philadelphia, write: ‘Here is the message of HaKadosh, the True One, the one who has the key of David, who, if he opens something, no one else can shut it, and if he closes something, no one else can open it.
8 “I know what you are doing. Look, I have put in front of you an open door, and no one can shut it. I know that you have but little power, yet you have obeyed my message and have not disowned me.
9 Here, I will give you some from the synagogue of the Adversary, those who call themselves Jews but aren’t — on the contrary, they are lying — see, I will cause them to come and prostrate themselves at your feet, and they will know that I have loved you.
10 Because you did obey my message about persevering, I will keep you from the time of trial coming upon the whole world to put the people living on earth to the test.
11 I am coming soon; hold on to what you have, so that no one will take away your crown.
12 I will make him who wins the victory a pillar in the Temple of my God, and he will never leave it. Also I will write on him the name of my God and the name of my God’s city, the new Yerushalayim coming down out of heaven from my God, and my own new name.
13 Those who have ears, let them hear what the Spirit is saying to the Messianic communities.”’
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2014 16:49:00 GMT -8
As I was getting ready for the day to go to work I started to think about what happened during the Holocaust and all those Jewish people being murdered. I was reminded of the book that I read, "The Druggist of Auschwitz"
To be honest my mind could not fathom what happened and what the other Jewish people were forced to do. Can you put yourself in their shoes? Where they were forced to kill their own people. To watch their families, relatives and friends, neighbors being brought into the death camps, into the gas chambers and watching them walk to their death?
To watch knowing that they sat with them for hours talking and enjoying life together, watching their children being born, growing up, getting married, etc. One would have to wonder what was really going through their minds as they watched their own kind going to their deaths and they were forced to kill them.
I couldn't fathom this. To see the agony they must have gone through. To see the horror and hearing their screams for help and no one listened. One of the death camp survivors who was forced to kill his own people stated that the screams got to be too much that the German soldiers would bring in radios for them to turn on to drown out the cries and screams.
If you were forced to kill your own people, would you? Would you do so to save yourself and your family? Would you do it for a bribe?
I asked my husband this morning what he would do in this situation. He stated that he would rather they kill him before he agreed to kill anyone.
In the same book another survivor stated that when they would open the rooms to these gas room or chambers it was like hell. He stated it was just like a big pile of heap of human flesh just lying there. What sadden his heart more was that they would find babies, children, elderly and sickly people at the bottom of the heap where all the healthier men and women would be closer to the top of the heap.
"Hitler did control their men and women. That's why the murder program was so successful." I agree with what my friend stated.
To think that such evil would come from a man such as Hitler, when one really looks at this he was very intelligent in order to mastermind what he did. He must have thought it through many years before he came into power. To even think of the strategies and the labor that went into these camps. It was so well planned. Hitler is just as guilty as any of his followers were.
When one really thinks about this how the sin nature of man can be so evil, vile and wicked. To think that the heart can be so deceitful in all it's ways. The mind of Hitler and his men is beyond anything that I can even fathom. I am not saying that what happened at the Holocaust is not true, it is the fact that it is hard for one's mind to wrap around such evilness.
This is just my thoughts.
Moriah Ruth
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2014 16:56:30 GMT -8
I understand what you are saying Questor.
I am not blaming God for what happened to the Jews at the time of the Holocaust. I do not believe that it was His doing to do away with His own chosen people. It came from the masterminds of Hitler and his followers who had masterminded such evil, perversion and wickedness, which came directly from Satan himself.
In all honesty I don't think any person would know what to do if such a thing would happen to us. Would we stand or would we give in? A person could say today they are strong, but when put through the test or such wickedness is brought to our door we would probably be surprised with our response to it.
Moriah Ruth
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Post by Questor on Mar 30, 2014 18:11:14 GMT -8
As I was getting ready for the day to go to work I started to think about what happened during the Holocaust and all those Jewish people being murdered. I was reminded of the book that I read, "The Druggist of Auschwitz" To be honest my mind could not fathom what happened and what the other Jewish people were forced to do. Can you put yourself in their shoes? Where they were forced to kill their own people. To watch their families, relatives and friends, neighbors being brought into the death camps, into the gas chambers and watching them walk to their death? To watch knowing that they sat with them for hours talking and enjoying life together, watching their children being born, growing up, getting married, etc. One would have to wonder what was really going through their minds as they watched their own kind going to their deaths and they were forced to kill them. I couldn't fathom this. To see the agony they must have gone through. To see the horror and hearing their screams for help and no one listened. One of the death camp survivors who was forced to kill his own people stated that the screams got to be too much that the German soldiers would bring in radios for them to turn on to drown out the cries and screams. If you were forced to kill your own people, would you? Would you do so to save yourself and your family? Would you do it for a bribe? I asked my husband this morning what he would do in this situation. He stated that he would rather they kill him before he agreed to kill anyone. In the same book another survivor stated that when they would open the rooms to these gas room or chambers it was like hell. He stated it was just like a big pile of heap of human flesh just lying there. What sadden his heart more was that they would find babies, children, elderly and sickly people at the bottom of the heap where all the healthier men and women would be closer to the top of the heap. "Hitler did control their men and women. That's why the murder program was so successful." I agree with what my friend stated. To think that such evil would come from a man such as Hitler, when one really looks at this he was very intelligent in order to mastermind what he did. He must have thought it through many years before he came into power. To even think of the strategies and the labor that went into these camps. It was so well planned. Hitler is just as guilty as any of his followers were. When one really thinks about this how the sin nature of man can be so evil, vile and wicked. To think that the heart can be so deceitful in all it's ways. The mind of Hitler and his men is beyond anything that I can even fathom. I am not saying that what happened at the Holocaust is not true, it is the fact that it is hard for one's mind to wrap around such evilness. This is just my thoughts. Moriah Ruth
Hitler wrote long and lovingly about what he wanted to do to the Jews in Mein Kamph years before he came to power, and most people outside of Germany refused to believe him until everything was almost finished in his campaign to destroy the Jews. It is, however true that the hatred of the Jews by Hitler and Company was convenient to manipulating the German people. Propagandists always need a bad guy to rally people with. They will, I think call all of us Believers "Haters"...because we are neither tolerant of sin, nor politically correct.
I do think, however, that after picturing what you will put up with, and what you won't, you can also walk softly, and carry a big stick until confrontation comes. One must merely be very sure what you will put up with, and what you will not.
Oddly though, the evil was such a little thing for most Lutherans in Germany. Just..no Jews in their parks, on their park benches, in their restaurants, and then a lot of disappearing Jews that were conveniently 'resettled' in a work camp so that Jews and Catholics and Dissidents were also out of their cities. Most people refused to think that anything bad was happening other than a little bit of forced work since the 'Jews would not do as they were told, etc." But most of them knew, and tried to forget it was happening. And then the war got so bad, that they had no time to worry about the Jews and Catholics and Political Prisoners...they were struggling to survive.
Evil is at its worst when it is being very commonplace, and enacted gradually so that people grow blind. Not all the violence focused on in the least news bit these days. Soon, people will see the people they don't agree with being regularly executed, and find themselves cheering.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2014 4:25:03 GMT -8
I was thinking last night before I went to bed that when I was a child I remember looking at some books my mother had gotten from the library. They were with regards to the Holocaust. She would always get those books and read them. Well curiosity got the best of me one day and I looked through one book. And the photos that I saw was beyond belief. I remember thinking how could any human being do this to another human being?
The photos showed piles of human bodies, women, children and men with German soldiers around them. Photos of the concentration camps. The photo images stuck so deeply in my mind for a long time. I had read some of what was in the book. I couldn't read it only because I could not understand at that time. So much did I desire to ask my mother but I was afraid of what she would tell me.
Many years passed by until I became a born again Christian at the age of 19. I had started looking for information on the Holocaust and reading up on it. And again my mind could not comprehend why any human being would do this to another human being. Yet still I am finding out more information and it just amazes me that they are still finding out more than what they had first thought. And when I read more about the Holocaust I began to understand, much with a sadden heart, much tears and anger.
Several years ago I remember asking my mother if we had any Jewish background. At that time she stated no we didn't. But two weeks before she had passed away in 2012 I asked her again. This time she stated yes we did. I asked her through who? She stated her distant cousin. I asked her for the name and she stated she could not remember. So I left it alone. But I wonder for sure if we do have Jewish descent on my mother's side or if we don't.
However, a few weeks ago I was doing a genealogy search on my mother's side. I did see someone either under Badder or Leverton who had married someone from Poland after the war. I believe it was 1947. The person was a she and she lived in New York and married someone from Poland. The name looked Polish but I am not sure if it is just Polish or Polish Jew. When one does a genealogy search it can be time consuming. If curiosity gets the best of me I may try to search for that person and see if they did marry a Jewish person. But right now time does not permit me to do so.
Enough of that.
Moriah Ruth
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Post by alon on Apr 1, 2014 2:25:53 GMT -8
Can't sleep, so I'm going to try to repy on the frisbee ... Ruth, nothing like this happens in a vaccuum, nor suddenly. The philosophies and prejudices that allowed it at the time were a worldwide phenomonim, and were in fact based on reasons that are still with us. And the hatreds are resurfacing again worldwide as we write thes things. Hitlers plan was earlier laid out by Martin Luther, and lauded by theologians of all stripes in the centuries following. Luther's hatred was rooted in the Catholocism he supposedly broke away from. The foundation was laid in the redacted Greek version of the "New Testament" which they foisted on the world. But the first gas chambers were in hospitals and sanitoriums, not in concentration camps. The first victims were children and then older "patients" who were mentally or physically deficient- termed "useless eaters" in early propoganda- and their executioners were doctors. At the same time our own doctors here in the Land of the Free were experimenting with sterility and selective diseases on unknowing subjects. So if the Germans came up with some good ideas ... And this was not the first time we had done this. I'm originally from the Southwest, and love the history of that region. The Apache were known as the fiercest warriors we faced in our westward expansion. If you can get a copy, read the book "Indeh" by Eve Ball. they, in their pgan belief system, were closer to God than either the Catholic government of Mexico or the Protestant government of the US which tried to destroy them. They fought only when attacked and only to protect their families. But it was easy for governments to brainwash their people who, hundreds of miles away from the slaughter allowed it to happen by compartmentalizing the news. It was there, so ..., but it doesn't effect me here so life and lies go on unchecked- and murder in our name is rationalized be it in New Mexico or Treblinka. If you have Netflix, watch the movie "Nazi Medicine." The world knew, and was culpable in the Hollocaust. Most countries could not give up their Jews fast enough, and cheered the brutality and murder they witnessed in their own streets. So they had to at least suspect what they were handing over their neighbors to. I agree with Questor that we need to decide in advance where we stand and what we will do. However we need to be vocal now. We need to be the conscience of the world while it can still make a differrence; while we can still be heard. "Choose this day who you will serve," and get off our backsides and serve Him now! That is how you will make the right chioce when the time comes. Service is neither passive nor put off so we can enjoy the present. And "faith" is practiced, not just preached, or it means nothing. My view. Hope this comes out legible ... Dan C reconnected and re-editing: you were spared whole sections of my rant by the frisbee. Sorry if it is a little disjointed. I'll wiat 'till my comp is done later this week to post further. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2014 3:35:29 GMT -8
Hi Alon, I understand your frustration with computer issues. They are annoying. You are correct when you state that nothing happens suddenly. The masterminds behind the Holocaust and creating the concentration camps were well thought out by such evil people. It took years to think through what they created. And you are also correct when you say that through history gas chambers were used for children, elderly, disabled, sick and the mentally ill. It is to even think that we as human beings can think up such perverse, evil and wicked schemes. You stated, "Most countries could not give up their Jews fast enough, and cheered the brutality and murder they witnessed in their own streets. So they had to at least suspect what they were handing over their neighbors too." You are so right in this. I can't imagine giving up my neighbor or anyone to such brutality. Even those who claimed to be Christians put the Jewish people to death. This part sadden me. I will check out the movie that you mentioned as well as the book. Right now I need to get ready for work. The little ones at the school definitely keep me busy, all 22 of them. Moriah Ruth |
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Post by alon on Apr 5, 2014 7:49:25 GMT -8
Ruth, the term I was trying to remember is Eugenics- the belief that men should be bred like cattle in order to bring out the qualities "we" most want and need. Men could be made more docile, be of better health, look better ... whatever qualities you wanted could be bred into men. The medical community worldwide bought into this idea in a huge way in the period between WWI and WWII. And the only place it was bigger, more widely accepted by the medical community at large than in Germany was in the US.
The US did experiments on patients without their knowledge, sterilizing some and infecting many more with diseases. Germany, however was under a lot more pressure as they were economically destroyed by the end of WWI. They were more and more coming under the control of extremists as well, culminating in the Nazis taking absolute control. There the idea of treating unwanted people as a disease was taking a more sinister turn. Mothers were told that babies who were born with birth defects "didn't survive." Sanatoriums were built for the mentally deficient or malformed, or the chronically ill, and it was here, long before the concentration camps, that the first gas chambers were built. The first victims were children with birth defects, retardation and mental illnesses. The first executioners were doctors, nurses and orderlies.
It was just one more small step to target people racially, declaring them unfit, a disease- they were no longer human, but germs. And how does a "healthy body" deal with germs?
This philosophy is alive and well today. Couched in more polite terms, or spoken quietly lest one be labeled a Nazi; but it is widely held still in our medical communities and by the cultural and political elite. I've known people who hold this view. I could take you to a doctor right here in my own small town who holds this view. I used to know a Chiropractor who was honest enough to tell you some of his views on the subject (ironically, anyone in his profession would be targeted for elimination as soon as the rest of the medical system could make it so). The thugs, the crazies, those so filled with hatred they are willing to commit atrocities are obviously there, and growing bolder. But trust me, the leadership is quietly positioning themselves for the time to take charge. They always have, and today is no different.
Dan C
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2014 15:58:32 GMT -8
Thank you for sharing Alon. I understand completely.
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, not much is stated about Treblinka camps. This is the first time that I have heard of this concentration camp. 
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