Outreach Programs

[alon]

Jul 18, 2013 22:58:35 GMT -8 tonga said:

I find this interesting. Why do you feel the need to convert traditional Christians?

Actually that is the point, I don't. People who seek MJ typically come to the understanding that things are not right on their own. If I find someone like that, I'd like to be able to offer them guidance away from some of the craziness out there. But I do not actively try to convert those involved in any of the ministries I'm in.

I do share my views when appropriate, and if I witness to someone it is from an MJ perspective unless that would cause problems.

Jul 18, 2013 22:58:35 GMT -8 tonga said:

Do you feel they must accept the laws in order to be "saved"?

Honestly, I'm not sure. Remember I'm fairly new to MJ myself, so there are a lot of things I'm not that clear on. If admin wants to comment on this I'd like to hear their take myself.

If pressed I'd say no, strict adherence is not a requirement for salvation. However God said to do it, so I think I should. I got a Jewish book on the mitzvoth that are applicable today. A good Christian should be doing most of them anyhow, so really it's not that great an act of obedience to go all the way. Now the fences are another animal entirely ... but I'll go through that gate when I get there.

Jul 18, 2013 22:58:35 GMT -8 tonga said:

Doesn't their belief in Jesus as the savior/messiah grant them salvation?

Yes, and their works testify to it. That is the key. So many Christians think they are in a dispensational period of grace alone, they forget about the book of James (works) or the cry of Yochanan the Immerser- "Repent!" These I'd worry about.

It is true we must believe, John 14:6 “Jesus said to him, ‘I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the father except through me.’ “

James 2:26 "For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead." We weren't called to just warm a pew. Those in mainstream Christians who are working for God are, I think, saved. Those who do nothing are missing the mark.

But yes, I would like to see more movement towards observance throughout Christianity as a whole.

It is not just belief that saves us. It is repentance, a complete turning from the works of the flesh to the indwelling works of the Ruach. Luke 13:3 “No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”

Hope that answered your questions. Feel free to ask if you need clarification- I'm not as clear as I used to be.

Dan

[tonga]

Jul 19, 2013 20:19:20 GMT -8 alon said:

Jul 18, 2013 22:58:35 GMT -8 tonga said:

I find this interesting. Why do you feel the need to convert traditional Christians?

Actually that is the point, I don't. People who seek MJ typically come to the understanding that things are not right on their own. If I find someone like that, I'd like to be able to offer them guidance away from some of the craziness out there. But I do not actively try to convert those involved in any of the ministries I'm in.

I do share my views when appropriate, and if I witness to someone it is from an MJ perspective unless that would cause problems.

Honestly, I'm not sure. Remember I'm fairly new to MJ myself, so there are a lot of things I'm not that clear on. If admin wants to comment on this I'd like to hear their take myself.

If pressed I'd say no, strict adherence is not a requirement for salvation. However God said to do it, so I think I should. I got a Jewish book on the mitzvoth that are applicable today. A good Christian should be doing most of them anyhow, so really it's not that great an act of obedience to go all the way. Now the fences are another animal entirely ... but I'll go through that gate when I get there.

Jul 18, 2013 22:58:35 GMT -8 tonga said:

Doesn't their belief in Jesus as the savior/messiah grant them salvation?

Yes, and their works testify to it. That is the key. So many Christians think they are in a dispensational period of grace alone, they forget about the book of James (works) or the cry of Yochanan the Immerser- "Repent!" These I'd worry about.

It is true we must believe, John 14:6 “Jesus said to him, ‘I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the father except through me.’ “

James 2:26 "For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead." We weren't called to just warm a pew. Those in mainstream Christians who are working for God are, I think, saved. Those who do nothing are missing the mark.

But yes, I would like to see more movement towards observance throughout Christianity as a whole.

It is not just belief that saves us. It is repentance, a complete turning from the works of the flesh to the indwelling works of the Ruach. Luke 13:3 “No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”

Hope that answered your questions. Feel free to ask if you need clarification- I'm not as clear as I used to be.

Dan

That answers them quite well, thank you.
It seems to me that I am seeing an emphasis on some Messianics pushing Christians to become Messianic, and a few seem to indicate that if a Christian does not, they will not be saved.

I was not sure if this becoming a growing opinion, or if very few Messianics believe that way.

[dave784]

I have done a couple of studies with bereansonline.org currently working on the Galatians study and challenged