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Post by alon on Mar 8, 2013 23:23:40 GMT -8
Shabbat shalom! Since there is no one else around here that believes like me, I have sort of fallen into my own practice of keeping Shabbat holy: - I do no "unnecessary" work. However, if my family needs help, or if our men's fellowship helps around the community as a witness on "Saturday" then I'll gladly help.
- I study the Word most of the day, since there are no Synagogues anywhere near here. I will "work" on lessons, or groups I am going to lead at "Sunday services" also.
- I come on the internet and research Biblical topics or talk here.
- I'm trying (with limited success) to learn Hebrew, and I'll study that on Shabbat.
- I'll also take part in family or church functions.
However, Lev. 23:3 says "'Work is to be done on six days; but the seventh day is a Shabbat of complete rest, a holy convocation; you are not to do any kind of work; it is a Shabbat for ADONAI, even in your homes." So is studying the Word, or for that matter Hebrew, wrong? Studying might, after all, be considered work. What about helping family, friends, or the community as a witness for Yeshua? The internet is a great to make study easier, but might it also be seen as a distraction? Should I be on the forum here asking about breaking the Sabbath on Erev Shabbat? I don't think anything I'm doing is wrong, else I wouldn't be doing it. However if I thought I knew everything I wouldn't be here asking questions either! Dan C |
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Post by leviisrael on Mar 9, 2013 2:38:21 GMT -8
OK, I'll take a stab at this. Now I'm sure there are various traditional practices or halakah for separating the day that I will let someone else describe, but it looks to me the for the most part you are observing Shabbat well. In my studies the work  the main point of Shabbat is not the lack of physical labor, but laboring for your own benefit. Our focus is on God to supply all our needs, rather than the fruit of our labors. Personally, I also link Shabbat with Creation in which God specifically rested from creating new things. If He rests from all work, the universe would literally fall apart. Because of this I try not to create anything new on the Sabbath. So I would not consider studying on the Sabbath work because it has already been written. I'm just reading it. Writing my own book on the Sabbath would not be permitted because I am creating something new, and I eventually hope to benefit financially from it. Regardless, it is not about what I do or do not do, but how I relate to God because of it. Our Abba has created a day of rest so we can better commune with Him. This is His greatest desire. |
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Post by yiska on Mar 9, 2013 7:16:58 GMT -8
I love Shabbat, my favorite day of the week. This is G-d's day and we shall and should observe it. I don't think he will hold that against you, sometimes we get stray away and not focus on Shabbat, I am not saying necessarily you or pointing fingers at anyone here, I just know from experience, like last night for example: I was on meds and cook supper last night, how I manage to do that, I don't know, G-d held me up with a good head on my shoulders , Praise Adonai for that, anyways, back to what I was saying.. I get side tracked myself sometimes, got to stop that, he he he... okay, as I was saying.... I was cooking supper, got my plate ready and ... ooops.... I forgot to light my candles and do the Shabbat prayer. I got up, stop eating, looking for some candles , light them up, and did my prayer , then back to eating again. After that, I slept like a baby. Shabbat is a day of rest , we all know this. We all do our best to observe it. L-rd knows our weakness, but once we get the hang of it, it becomes us, we get used to it. I used to go to a friend's house for Shabbat, the past 3 weeks I have not been able to due to my illness. This should be the first thing we do before sun down on Friday night, Light the candles before we eat  |
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Post by alon on Mar 9, 2013 11:39:09 GMT -8
yiska, I really feel for you with whatever disabilities you are suffering (apparently more than just HoH). I too have more than a few health issues, made worse by the meds I have to take. Confusion reigns (rains), and I get soaked ... . I lead an outreach group at my (Sunday, AoG) church. If it is any consolation, we aren't the only ones, and there is always someone worse off than you are ... probably ME but we can get into THAT contest at another time; no [img src=" ![]() img.photobucket.com/albums/v165/peek-a-boo/hijacked.gif"][/img] permitted ! LOL, one of the reasons I asked this now is I was finishing up some chores today, trying to get them done because "tomorrow is Shabbat!" Then, about 2 1/2 hrs after sundown, it hit me- "this IS Shabbat!!!"  Ah well, I don't think God will hold that against us as long as we are willing to apologize and ask help in the future. Thanks for the encouragement. Shabbat shalom, Dan C I love Shabbat, my favorite day of the week. This is G-d's day and we shall and should observe it. I don't think he will hold that against you, sometimes we get stray away and not focus on Shabbat, I am not saying necessarily you or pointing fingers at anyone here, I just know from experience, like last night for example: I was on meds and cook supper last night, how I manage to do that, I don't know, G-d held me up with a good head on my shoulders , Praise Adonai for that, anyways, back to what I was saying.. I get side tracked myself sometimes, got to stop that, he he he... okay, as I was saying.... I was cooking supper, got my plate ready and ... ooops.... I forgot to light my candles and do the Shabbat prayer. I got up, stop eating, looking for some candles , light them up, and did my prayer , then back to eating again. After that, I slept like a baby. Shabbat is a day of rest , we all know this. We all do our best to observe it. L-rd knows our weakness, but once we get the hang of it, it becomes us, we get used to it. I used to go to a friend's house for Shabbat, the past 3 weeks I have not been able to due to my illness. This should be the first thing we do before sun down on Friday night, Light the candles before we eat |
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Post by alon on Mar 9, 2013 11:48:38 GMT -8
OK, I'll take a stab at this. Now I'm sure there are various traditional practices or halakah for separating the day that I will let someone else describe, but it looks to me the for the most part you are observing Shabbat well. In my studies the work the main point of Shabbat is not the lack of physical labor, but laboring for your own benefit. Our focus is on God to supply all our needs, rather than the fruit of our labors. Personally, I also link Shabbat with Creation in which God specifically rested from creating new things. If He rests from all work, the universe would literally fall apart. Because of this I try not to create anything new on the Sabbath. So I would not consider studying on the Sabbath work because it has already been written. I'm just reading it. Writing my own book on the Sabbath would not be permitted because I am creating something new, and I eventually hope to benefit financially from it. Regardless, it is not about what I do or do not do, but how I relate to God because of it. Our Abba has created a day of rest so we can better commune with Him. This is His greatest desire. Thanks. I agree, but part of what I'm told it means is not to do any creative work. We are to rest and, as you say, contemplate that it is not just the fruit of our labors but the provision of God. However, Yeshua was criticized for healing on Shabbat, and for allowing His disciples to pick wheat and eat as they walked trough the field. He in turn chastised them for all the rules they had added to make the Sabbath a chore rather than a time of joy to worship Him. I absolutely agree, though, that I neither expect nor will accept any remuneration or benefit at any time. That would be an absolute sin. 'Preciate the response. Dan C |
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Mar 10, 2013 17:26:17 GMT -8
B"H
There have been some good comments here, and I do believe Adonai is patient with us as we have a heart to honor His holy day and to make it a delight. As we follow His mitzvot on this day it becomes more and more of a delight, which is only discovered as we become more observant.
At any rate, if this thread becomes a lengthy and indept discussion about Shabbat...we may want to continue it on threads that are already started, or start a new one in the proper place of the forum here.
Shalom uv'rachot aleychem,
R' Reuel
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Post by yiska on Mar 11, 2013 9:11:41 GMT -8
good idea Admin. Shabbat is a holy day to rest and enjoy a day off, after all we deserve it as G-d did on the seventh day. AHMANE! something to sing along here is a video of a song I am sure most of you already know "WE Delight In your SHABBAT" with words  |
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Post by kip on Mar 26, 2013 20:47:56 GMT -8
Shabbat shalom! Since there is no one else around here that believes like me, I have sort of fallen into my own practice of keeping Shabbat holy: - I do no "unnecessary" work. However, if my family needs help, or if our men's fellowship helps around the community as a witness on "Saturday" then I'll gladly help.
- I study the Word most of the day, since there are no Synagogues anywhere near here. I will "work" on lessons, or groups I am going to lead at "Sunday services" also.
- I come on the internet and research Biblical topics or talk here.
- I'm trying (with limited success) to learn Hebrew, and I'll study that on Shabbat.
- I'll also take part in family or church functions.
However, Lev. 23:3 says "'Work is to be done on six days; but the seventh day is a Shabbat of complete rest, a holy convocation; you are not to do any kind of work; it is a Shabbat for ADONAI, even in your homes." So is studying the Word, or for that matter Hebrew, wrong? Studying might, after all, be considered work. What about helping family, friends, or the community as a witness for Yeshua? The internet is a great to make study easier, but might it also be seen as a distraction? Should I be on the forum here asking about breaking the Sabbath on Erev Shabbat? I don't think anything I'm doing is wrong, else I wouldn't be doing it. However if I thought I knew everything I wouldn't be here asking questions either! Dan C Alon i feel i must respond to you in this answer. The Shabbat to me is a Holy day for G-d and for family, from what i have learned it is a day to not make money nor to create things anew. But to relax and to reflect on Him, if you stress out and worry about things that is not the way to feel, the Shabbat to me means to not worry and not to feel stressed but to be whole and pray and listen to G-ds Word and remember he has us in his hand, its a reminder of what is to come through showing him respect and honor. If someone is in need or help you are to do so, G-d would never look down on a person for doing such. Remember G-d is a G-d of Love and Kindness and we are to show others the same, we are to fill peoples hearts with the same Love and Kindness he shows us. Nothing makes G-d happier than fulfilling his Word and showing others mercy and kindness and in doing so it softens the hearts of unbelievers and makes them crave His knowledge. Shalom brother! Keep in mind i have heard of your ills and i pray for you daily, Just remember you are not alone as you may feel, and i do as well living where i do in the middle of nowhere by myself with not many to talk with. You have a strong will as i do. And i pray for you and your family and i will continue to do so, even though i do not know you, i feel i know you through the Holy Spirit. May G-d bless and protect you friend! |
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Post by alon on Mar 27, 2013 0:05:07 GMT -8
kip, good advice and encouragement. Thanks!
Dan C
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