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Post by pek on Mar 6, 2010 13:56:51 GMT -8
When someone asks my Faith I stumble a bit. I don't feel right saying I'm a Messianic Jew, because I'm not Jewish. So I generally say I'm involved with Messianic Judaism but that could mean I deliver mail to the synagogue. The rabbi I who teaches me says to say I've attached myself to the Children of Israel, I worship the God of Israel, and I serve the Messiah of Israel. While that is absolutely accurate, only another in the Messianic movement would understand it. Jews sure don't. They call me a Christian and say I'm slandering Judaism. Christians say, "How nice" or something like that. The  says we are "strangers" with the Children of Israel, But those folks were proselytites. I have gone through no process to become Jewish and my rabbi says I don't have to. Shalom |
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Post by zionlion on Mar 6, 2010 16:17:30 GMT -8
Shalom pek,
Tell them you're a messianic gentile.
If they ask questions, you can explain.
That's what I do.
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Post by pek on Mar 6, 2010 16:36:06 GMT -8
Thanks. I've thought of saying that and it ties in with the kind of response Rabbi David Levine suggests: Simple answers that evoke questions--- which are easier for me to answer now. I always struggled to defend protestantism, but I no longer struggle. MJ nails it!
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Post by zionlion on Mar 6, 2010 20:06:26 GMT -8
That's the way I look at it. Simple answers from a simple man --- me.  There's no substitute for Truth. |
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Post by Asher on Mar 18, 2010 6:10:03 GMT -8
I had this same problem when I was trying to explain to a christian how messianic jews can be both jewish and gentile. He didn't quite understand why a gentile believer in yeshua would want to be a messianic jew over christianity.
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Post by tonga on Mar 18, 2010 13:00:17 GMT -8
I had this same problem when I was trying to explain to a christian how messianic jews can be both jewish and gentile. Well, actually that is confusing because if one is a Jew, one is not a gentile. And if one is gentile, one is not a Jew. You can't be both. I would think just calling oneself Messianic would cover it all, and if they have questions, they can always ask for clarification. |
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Post by yiska on Mar 9, 2013 14:10:26 GMT -8
I , too, have this problem. Although some people actually think it is a cult. I don't know why they would think that, oh wait, that's right, they don't know how to look it up, me being sarcasm heeh! I just say that I am a Messianic Jew, then they will ask, oh you are Jewish?  uhhh... no, not really, just a Messianic Jew. hmmm... I know I shouldn't be like that.  |
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Post by alon on Mar 9, 2013 15:44:15 GMT -8
I just say that I am a Messianic Jew, then they will ask, oh you are Jewish? uhhh... no, not really, just a Messianic Jew. hmmm... I know I shouldn't be like that. Yer just ornery!  I just say I'm Messianic, or a Messianic believer. Some ask, many run, most just give me a look like they need to get out of he way so the men in white coats can grab me. I have gotten the cult thing too. Oh, well- they hated the Jews, they hated Yeshua, did we think they'd like us any better? "The truth is a guest not welcomed in many homes." anon, as far as I know ... which ain't that far any more but that's another story ... Dan C |
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Post by yiska on Mar 9, 2013 18:44:52 GMT -8
 no shocker there... oh well, remember he said... many will hate you because you follow me. Oh well, let them hate. I love Yeshua! 
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Post by Micha'el on Mar 10, 2013 14:25:59 GMT -8
Shalom All, Whenever you find what works for everyone and anyone, please let me know. I have decided to say I am observant. Even the average believer will agree that our G_d is the same yesterday, today and forever, so why not His instructions written "Yesterday"? Micha'el |
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Post by yiska on Mar 10, 2013 15:28:12 GMT -8
you are right , G-d is the same yesterday , today and tmw. he never changes!!!!
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Post by alon on Mar 10, 2013 22:23:45 GMT -8
 ... Even the average believer will agree that our G_d is the same yesterday, today and forever, so why not His instructions written "Yesterday"? Micha'el Why not indeed. Yet you can show the "average" believer all the scripture you want, get them to agree that our Elohim is a constant, unchanging God- they'll turn right around and argue He changed His mind and gave us a "New" Testament/covenant/faith. He modified some laws, changed some, and did away with a bunch (donch'kno). Some even go so far as to say the Old Testament is obsolete. But you've heard it before, I'm sure. So I'll spare you the entire rant! Dan ( ) C
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Post by Micha'el on Mar 11, 2013 8:22:30 GMT -8
Shalom Dan,  I agree that the majority of non- keeping believers will argue with unsupported doctrine to back their beliefs. I rarely waste any time with them. I look for the one's Hashem is working on, the ones who are starting to ask those questions that got us to the point of seeing the with new eyes and hearing with new ears. Mostly, the popular verse that says the Word that proceeds from G_ds mouth will not return to Him void (Isa 55:11) always has a place when we speak His truth. I often believe that until that person starts to seriously seek the truth, you are spinning your wheels and not gaining much ground for the most part. Micha'el |
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Post by yiska on Mar 11, 2013 8:49:05 GMT -8
I have had this confersion with my youngest kid and my mother.... It is pointless telling them otherwise. I just pray , pray, and pray that they  |
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Post by Yedidyah on Mar 11, 2013 18:32:32 GMT -8
Shalom pek, Tell them you're a messianic gentile. If they ask questions, you can explain. That's what I do. The only issue with that is that if you are grafted into the tree you share the same roots as the Jews. If you are a gentile then you are "Of the Nations" I find it hard to call fellow followers of "Of the Nations" Grafted into the body of Israel I think is better suited. I am Jewish on my mothers side. If I am speaking with a Christian who does not know me I will tell them I am Jewish but believe in Messiah to start off a interesting conversation. I use the same when I talk to a fellow Jewish brother or sister. I don't feel that believing in Messiah makes me any less Jewish but rather builds and adds another center column to my Jewish Faith. |
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says we are "strangers" with the Children of Israel, But those folks were proselytites. I have gone through no process to become Jewish and my rabbi says I don't have to.
