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Post by zionlion on Jan 10, 2010 21:16:28 GMT -8
See, the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you bread for two days on the sixth day. Remain every man in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
[Exodus 16:29]
Seems like synagogues and messianic meeting places should be dark and empty on Shabbat, doesn't it?
Or am I missing something?
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Post by Dogface Of Judah on Jan 11, 2010 15:23:44 GMT -8
;D  |
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Post by zionlion on Jan 11, 2010 15:40:58 GMT -8
Should I count that as I'm not missing something? ;D  |
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Post by Dogface Of Judah on Jan 11, 2010 16:54:44 GMT -8
Just being a smart*** Elder Zionlion. I sometimes have this condition but i am working on it. It's a slow process. Anyhow, i will wait for the others to chime in then we can compare and try and reason together shall we.  |
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Post by zionlion on Jan 11, 2010 19:06:47 GMT -8
OK, I'll wait, too. Just for the record, I've never been an Elder (or a smart***). |
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Post by Dogface Of Judah on Jan 11, 2010 19:54:41 GMT -8
Oh, i somehow got the impression you were like 65 plus.  See ya! |
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Post by zionlion on Jan 11, 2010 21:07:49 GMT -8
Plus what? Actually, I'm somewhere between birth and eternal life.  |
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Post by Mark on Jan 12, 2010 4:42:35 GMT -8
So, is it a violation of  to go to synagogue on the Sabbath? If it was, then Messiah's regular custom was to violate (Luke 4:16). There are three different interpretations of this phrase in Exodus that accomodates Sabbath gatherings (which is also required in (Leviticus 23:3)). The first, and probably most common understanding, is that this command was an expression of Adonai's frustration- they just weren't getting it, so He tells them to stay home and not even go outside. This would make the command a specific order to the specific people who heard that command that day- that it wasn't a, "from now on" kind of instruction but a "do it now" kind... sorta like parting the Red Sea. A second understanding is that this command "to stay in one's place" demands that one does not travel during Shabbat outside of what in our King James Version is called "a Sabbath Day's journey". This demands that one not walk farther than an hour's distance (say, three miles) from home. Another interpretation of "to stay in one's place" is to no co-mingle with non-believers (gentiles) during the Shabbat. This would mean to not pass beyond the borders of national Israel- or go to places within the country where it there may be an inclination or temptation to violate Sabbath (as you would be in the company of those who are violating Sabbath). |
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Post by zionlion on Jan 12, 2010 9:18:31 GMT -8
Could it be that this is a situation concerning perfect will and permissive will? That His perfect will is for people to remain at home and "assemble" as a family to rest in the Lord, but accepts that people choose to gather together communally?
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Post by Mark on Jan 13, 2010 5:02:52 GMT -8
I would suggest that it's the other way around. Adonai wants us to celebrate His goodness together as a community; but if going out will result in sin, stay home.
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Post by lawrenceofisrael on Jan 14, 2010 9:41:29 GMT -8
Some brothers including me say that it means to stay in your village town or whatever and not leave it´s borders (maybe except if you want to go to a shabbat service). im not sure though but i believe i´ve read another bible passage which indicates this.
may peace and blessings be upon us all
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Post by alon on Mar 22, 2015 3:01:35 GMT -8
See, the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you bread for two days on the sixth day. Remain every man in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day. [Exodus 16:29]Seems like synagogues and messianic meeting places should be dark and empty on Shabbat, doesn't it? Or am I missing something?
Exodus 16:27-30 (ESV) 27 On the seventh day some of the people went out to gather, but they found none. 28 And the Lord said to Moses, “How long will you refuse to keep my commandments and my laws? 29 See! The Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. Remain each of you in his place; let no one go out of his place on the seventh day.” 30 So the people rested on the seventh day.
They were being told not to go out on Shabbat and try to find manna. I see no proscription about getting together and discussing the events they'd been through and how God delivered them; maybe have a community manna-fest. The pot-luck sign-up sheet would have been easy; "You bring manna, and I'll bring manna ... what'll you bring Irving?"
Dan C
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Post by garrett on Mar 22, 2015 15:41:21 GMT -8
Yes, again context is everything. And it puts so many questions in the trashcan.
We just had an old friend come in from out of state, who left today. It was one of those last minute, "I'm coming out to see you guys" situations. Our door is always open so we don't say no to visitors. But she's a Christian and the Sabbath is foreign. So we did take her around town a bit. I didn't spend any money or anything like that but I was crawling out of my skin not being able to keep the day sanctified like my wife and I usually do.
It's not the end of the world but we will have to come up with a contingency plan for this type of unexpected visit.
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Post by alon on Mar 22, 2015 21:48:42 GMT -8
Yes, again context is everything. And it puts so many questions in the trashcan. We just had an old friend come in from out of state, who left today. It was one of those last minute, "I'm coming out to see you guys" situations. Our door is always open so we don't say no to visitors. But she's a Christian and the Sabbath is foreign. So we did take her around town a bit. I didn't spend any money or anything like that but I was crawling out of my skin not being able to keep the day sanctified like my wife and I usually do. It's not the end of the world but we will have to come up with a contingency plan for this type of unexpected visit.
I have somewhat the same problem, in that my family all schedule things on Shabbat- grandkids birthday parties, visits from out of state that will take me away from home, bar-b-q's, etc. Family is important, and I try to be there for as much as I can. But it is a difficult balancing act sometimes. This is made more difficult because my wife is Christian and I am the lone Messianic both at home and in the whole area (I have to travel for shul).
Dan C
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Post by garrett on Mar 23, 2015 16:09:10 GMT -8
Yeah, I thought Friday night would have been any easy transition into some nice religious discussion but it didn't really happen. My wife and I go through the Blessing like it is second nature and it's very relaxed. No one has to perform. We would do this with anyone at our house. But our Christian friend didn't even seem fazed. It was as if nothing special had occurred to her (not that I can read her mind). But she certainly didn't indicate any interest. Oh well.
I suppose I chalk it up to a little bit of a missed opportunity to talk about G-d with someone from a different background.
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and one ordinance for you and for the alien who sojourns with you. [Numbers 15:16]
