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Post by MattyJames on Apr 2, 2007 1:39:45 GMT -8
Hi Folks,
Since Pesach is here, I've been thinking; Is it still applicable to kill the lamb for the sedar? Since Messiah is now our lamb, what relevance would the death of another lamb be??
kind regards,
Matt James
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Post by Mark on Apr 2, 2007 3:08:52 GMT -8
There is no biblical prohibition against lamb-chops; however, any killing of an animal as a biblical sacrifice to Adonai is prohibited in Deuteronomy 12 unless the animal is slaughtered at the Temple in Jerusalem.
Typically a Jewish household may serve lamb any other time; but not on Passover (for exactly this reason). Some Christians see it as an appropriate symbolism.
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Post by Nachshon on Apr 2, 2007 6:01:54 GMT -8
I have some friends who do not sacrifice their lamb, but they do slaughter their own. I do not believe that is prohibited.
Interesting along those lines, have y'all heard about the Sanhedrin trying to do the Passover sacrifice on the Temple Mount? They're trying to work it out with the govt. so they'll be able to set up an altar and sacrifice a number of them. That would be really interesting. I don't think the Israeli gvt. is going to let it fly, though. Not at this point in time.
Shalom,
Nachshon
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Apr 2, 2007 10:41:21 GMT -8
Couple things.... One, Mark is 100% on point. Full agreement with you here achi. Second, yes, I have heard of the attempts to offer the Pesachal sacrifice again. I support it 100%. However, I also don't think that the dhmmi Israeli government will allow it.
Chag Sameach,
Natanel
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Post by MattyJames on Apr 2, 2007 15:18:31 GMT -8
Ok..so what do you do??
MJ
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Post by MattyJames on Apr 2, 2007 15:20:30 GMT -8
There is no biblical prohibition against lamb-chops; however, any killing of an animal as a biblical sacrifice to Adonai is prohibited in Deuteronomy 12 unless the animal is slaughtered at the Temple in Jerusalem. Typically a Jewish household may serve lamb any other time; but not on Passover (for exactly this reason). Some Christians see it as an appropriate symbolism. Funny, considering there is no command for the Passover to be slaughtered at the Temple. Not sure that I agree with this particular thought. MJ |
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Post by Nachshon on Apr 2, 2007 16:57:55 GMT -8
Matty, while there is no command saying that the Passover has to be at the Temple, it does say that no sacrifice can be offered anywhere except where YHWH chooses to place His Name. That is the Temple Mount in Yerushalayim.
I don't really know how my friends did it. They learned how to do a kasher kill, got the proper knives, and slaughtered it. But they didn't offer it as a sacrifice.
Shalom,
Nachshon
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Post by MattyJames on Apr 6, 2007 17:12:22 GMT -8
I suppose to me it would be a matter of one Law over rideing the other. Eg: No work on the Shabbat - but the preists offer sacrifice.
IMO the Passover was given before the ordainence of Temple worship and sacrifice.
Aside from that - it is safe to say that not many eat of the Lamb at Pesach?
Still wondering,
Matt James
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Apr 14, 2007 0:46:32 GMT -8
I agree with Mark, Natanel ben-Avigdor, and Nachshon on this one. There is a clear command to sacrifice the lamb at the place were Adonai places His name. The scriptures later make it abundanlty clear that this place is the Temple in Yerushalayim, when it is standing. We eat chicken, beef, ect, but, no lamb on Pesach. Better to be safe than sorry on this one.  Shalom, Reuel |
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Post by Prodigal Girl on Apr 14, 2007 11:51:58 GMT -8
Question: When animals were killed to eat, was it always a sacrifice? Or just sometimes? What differentiated a sacrifice from a non-sacrificial killing? When they were out hunting, they were to spill the blood and bury it because the blood was for sacrifice. Is it possible that ALL killing of animals was a sacrifice? I am SO confused about this!
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Post by Nachshon on Apr 16, 2007 12:31:25 GMT -8
Prodigal Girl, If I remember correctly, every slaughtered animal was offered, but not sacrificed. I need to look up some passages to confirm this, though.
However, akhiy Reuel, I do not think that it is wrong to have lamb on Aviv 15. While we cannot offer the sacrifice, I think it is best to eat lamb, as that is also commanded.
Shalom,
Nachshon
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Post by Prodigal Girl on Apr 16, 2007 16:31:03 GMT -8
My impression is, that what was commanded was the sacrifice of the lamb, of course in Jerusalem. Which would imply to me ok to eat lamb if not sacrificed\? IF it was possible to eat meat without doing a sacrifice of it. Which is what I am not sure of.
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Post by Mark on Apr 18, 2007 3:17:32 GMT -8
Take heed to thyself that thou offer not thy burnt offerings in every place that thou seest: But in the place which the LORD shall choose in one of thy tribes, there thou shalt offer thy burnt offerings, and there thou shalt do all that I command thee. Notwithstanding thou mayest kill and eat flesh in all thy gates, whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, according to the blessing of the LORD thy God which he hath given thee: the unclean and the clean may eat thereof, as of the roebuck, and as of the hart. Only ye shall not eat the blood; ye shall pour it upon the earth as water.
(Deu 12:13-16 KJV)
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Post by Prodigal Girl on Apr 19, 2007 2:53:07 GMT -8
OK I get it. You can kill and eat (clean) animals (but not blood) wherever, just can't sacrifice on an altar outside of Jerusalem. What does it mean when it says "the unclean and the clean may eat thereof"? I assume it means those who are not ritually clean. The ritually clean only may sacrifice and eat of it in Jerusalem, but outside of the sacrifice place, meat may be eaten by even those who are ritually unclean by biblical standards.
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