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Post by The 614th Mitzvot on Jul 23, 2004 10:03:44 GMT -8
Reuel, I like what you said about the eye for an eye. It makes much sense. I would like to add that the some of the Ph'rusim of the time were also raising a rebellion against Rome. When they quoted that scriptural passage, they meant that you are to take revenge on the Romans for any little thing. Yohshuah HaMoshiach forsaw that what brought about the destruction of the temple and the Roman-Judean War was the fact that the Jews of that time were not being persecuted so much as they were being rebelious. Read Josephus' Wars of the Jews and you will see that even he, a Jew of that day, realized they were being ignorant and foolish trying to rebel. :-*Hey, I have two stars now! I'm a junior member; cool!
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Post by azumah on Jul 29, 2004 14:54:55 GMT -8
This might be a little late, but I wanted to point out Dueteronomy 19:15-21. This gives the context of what HE meant when HE gave the commandment. In reading this, it is very obvoius that personal vengence should be the furthest this from our mind.
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Aug 1, 2004 10:30:48 GMT -8
Amen brother. Let's take a look...
"One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established. If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong; Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before YHVH, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days; And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother; Then shall you do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you. And those which remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil among you. And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot." - Deut. (Devarim) 19:15-21
This passage could not be used for personal vengeance because for someone to be convicted of a crime there had to be a process in which the case had to be taken to the priests or judges of that day for any judgment, or punishment to be handed down. Furthermore, the crime had to be confirmed by at least two, or three witnesses. In other words people whom wanted vengeance were limited by the judges on what could be done to the guilty person (if he was guilty). They could not take matters into their own hands.
Shalom,
Reuel
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Feb 9, 2005 19:23:37 GMT -8
Wow, there's a lot of misconceptions here. However, since Reuel touched on most of them, I will only cover a couple of topics. Incorrect assumption. Yeshua was actually rejecting the Essene halacha that that taught that you were to love your neighbor and hate your enemy. The Pharasaic school of Hillel taught that one was to love their neighbor and their enemy equally. Yeshua was merely reinforcing that teaching. Again, an incorrect assumption. This is why it is very dangerous to try to interpret the Scriptures outside Judaism. What Yeshua was doing here, was giving us a greater understanding of the actual mitzvah (commandment). This is something that was prophesied Messiah would do. If he had come to abolish any part of the , then he would have invalidated his claims of Messiahship and been stoned to death as a false prophet.
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Post by Golfnerd on Apr 28, 2006 23:36:03 GMT -8
Curt, One thing that I wanted to share... You were talking about forever...let's look at the Hebrew for forever...her's the verse first.. (Num 15:15 NASB+) 'As for the assembly6951, there shall be one259 statute2708 for you and for the alien1616 who sojourns1481a with you, a perpetual5769 statute2708 throughout your generations1755; as you are, so shall the alien1616 be before6440 the LORD3068. the word perpetual here - Strong's 5769 - is this... H5769 òìí òåìí ‛ôlâm ‛ôlâm o-lawm', o-lawm' From H5956; properly concealed, that is, the vanishing point; generally time out of mind (past or future), that is, (practically) eternity; frequentative adverbially (especially with prepositional prefix) always: - always (-s), ancient (time), any more, continuance, eternal, (for, [n-]) ever (-lasting, -more, of old), lasting, long (time), (of) old (time), perpetual, at any time, (beginning of the) world (+ without end). Compare H5331, H5703.
doesn't look like the statute ended with Yeshua based on this definition does it?
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Post by Blake on Apr 29, 2006 10:28:58 GMT -8
That verse is one of my favorites. Anyone one who wants to know God must sojourn with his people and learn to be subject to the same Holy Regulations that were revealed to them. This is Yisra'El's mission, to show the path of Salvation to rest of the world, a light to the nations.
Even now though, I run into Jews who attempt to shut in their light. I remember one Orthodox fellow who was quite offended when i told him I kept the sabbath. He said it was not for me, but the Scriptures tell a different tale.
I am proud to be a goy who journeys foward with the Children of Yisra'El. I thank HaShem for the opprotunity to be as they are in El-Elyon's eyes.
Ameyn
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