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Post by Yochanah on Jul 5, 2004 12:51:35 GMT -8
Todah Reuel, Shalom
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Post by Yochanah on Jul 17, 2004 23:38:19 GMT -8
Shalom, Ach Reuel, Shalom,
You contend that the temple will literally be rebuilt and that there will be, once again, a reenacted, literal, blood sacrifice to cleanse this rebuilt temple. You also contend that this in no way competes with the Ultimate sin sacrifice of Messiah as this renewed sacrificial system will be for cleansing, not for sin.
But my dear and sincere brother what is the "rebuilt" and therefore clean temple to be cleansed of, if not sins?
The 10th chapter of the book of Hebrews explained to the Jews why their sacrificial system had ceased "for all time". "For by ONE offering He has perfected for ALL time those who are being setapart [made holy]." Heb. 10:14.
So He satisfied the demand of the Law for the atonement for sin. And not one jot or title was changed. "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to FULFIL." Matthew 5:17 He fulfilled the laws of rites and ceremonies of the altar which were begun and continued UNTIL His death for only one purpose...to point to the atoning sacrifice of the Lamb of Yah which takesth away the sins of the world.
What about the covenant He made with us? "And the Set-apart Spirit also witnesses to us, for after having said before, "This is the covenant that I shall make with them after those days, says YHWH, giving My law into their hearts, and in their minds I shall write them," and , "Their sins and their lawlessnesses I shall remember no more." Now where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer slaughter offering for sin." Heb. 10:15-18
What about the cleasing part of the system? "This is the ordinance of the law which YHWH hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke: And ye shall give her unto Eleazar the priest, that he may bring her forth without the camp, and one shall slay her before his face." Nu. 19:2-3 I would like to point out that Eleazer has been dead a long time. If he, and in this command he was mention specifically, were to officiate this service then he would have to be resurrected for this and I don't think this is mentioned anywhere in Scripture.
"And Eleazar the priest shall take of her blood with his finger, and sprinkle of her blood directly before the tabernacle of the congregation seven times: And one shall burn the heifer in his sight; her skin, and her flesh, and her blood, with her dung, shall he burn: And the priest shall take cedar wood, and hyssop, and scarlet, and cast it into the midst of the burning of the heifer. Then the priest shall wash his clothes, and he shall bathe his flesh in water, and afterward he shall come into the camp, and the priest shall be unclean until the even. And he that burneth her shall wash his clothes in water, and bathe his flesh in water, and shall be unclean until the even. And a man that is clean shall gather up the ashes of the heifer, and lay them up without the camp in a clean place, and it shall be kept for the congregation of the children of Israel for a water of separation:IT IS A PURIFICATION FOR SIN." Nu. 19:4-9
This cleansing of the temple by the blood of a red heifer was for the purification of SIN which our Blessed Messiah, the Lamb of Yah, suffered and died for. "For by ONE offering He has perfected for ALL time those who are being setapart." Heb. 10:14.
So you might say, 'but that was for sin of the people not the cleansing of the temple'...
"Yeshua answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But He spake of the temple of His BODY." John 2:19-21 "Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular." 1 Cor. 12:27
"For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ" Ephes. 4:12
Brother, you stated in an earlier post on another thread something to the effect that one can not spiritualize matters away.
But I must contend that this war against sin and who will ultimately be found worthy of true adoration and worship is a spiritual matter:
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Ephes. 6:12
"But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of Him who hath called you out of darkness into His marvellous light:" 1 Peter 2:9
"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of Elohim, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto Elohim, which is your reasonable service." Romans 12:1
We are SPIRITUAL ISRAEL, called to be SPIRITUAL PRIESTS, giving living SPIRITUAL SACRIFICES in our service to the Almighty YHWH our Elohim, blessed be His name.
Shalom and Ahavah, Yochanah
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Jul 18, 2004 12:57:34 GMT -8
Shalom Yochanah, I see that you are ready for more discussion on this issue. Because most of your comments were communicated in the thread in regards to the red heifer that you posted today...I will also repeat my reply to that post here as well. For future posts in regards to the temple, and it's priesthood...please isolate them to this thread so we do not have scattered discussions on the same subject all throughout the board. In regards to the scriptures you provided...they speak of different priesthoods, and different temples which do not cancel one another. In regards to the temple(s), one is the body of the believer, one is commanded in the , one is the coming future temple during Messiah's Earthly reign (as found in the book of Ezekiel), and the last is the Heavenly Temple as spoken of in the book of Revelation (which the description differs to that of the Temple found in Ezekiel). All these temples, and their ordinances are for different purposes which are all valid, and which do not cancel each other. For example, The Heavenly Temple spoken of in Revelation does not cancel our bodily temple, and neither does it cancel the coming temple found in the book of Ezekiel. When it is said that the Red Heifer is no longer valid to cleanse the physical Temple of God, such a one speaks from a position of not understanding the different purposes of these institutions. As we have already seen in the book Ivrim (Hebrews), the blood of bulls/cows, and goats -never- truly took away sin (this was the purpose of Yeshua The Messiah's sacrifice). Therefore, the Levitical Priesthood never truly competed with Yeshua The Messiah's sacrifice (which is a different sacrifice with a different purpose). In this light, it is plain to see that the sacrifice of the red heifer must have a different application compared to what you currently believe. In other words, either the book of Hebrews is wrong, or your interpretation of the Levitical sacrifical system is a little off base (as you believe that this system previously did take the place of Yeshua's Sacrifice). But, if you don't believe that The Levitical Priesthood previously took the place of Yeshua's Sacrifice (His sacrifice is actually described to have been done before the foundation of the world)...than you cannot believe that it will compete with His sacrifice in the future. And, if you don't believe that it will compete with His sacrifice...than we don't have a problem. Let's take a look at the passage in question (Numbers 19:1-9)... "And YHVH spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying, This is the ordinance of the law which YHVH hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke: And ye shall give her unto Eleazar the priest, that he may bring her forth without the camp, and one shall slay her before his face: And Eleazar the priest shall take of her blood with his finger, and sprinkle of her blood directly before the tabernacle of the congregation seven times:"Let's stop here for a moment. It speaks of Eleazer the priest when perfoming this. But, one must understand that he would not need to be resurrected (although this could be a possibility), but the duties of the various level's of the Priesthood where carried on by the family line. Let us continue... "And one shall burn the heifer in his sight; her skin, and her flesh, and her blood, with her dung, shall he burn: And the priest shall take cedar wood, and hyssop, and scarlet, and cast it into the midst of the burning of the heifer. Then the priest shall wash his clothes, and he shall bathe his flesh in water, and afterward he shall come into the camp, and the priest shall be unclean until the even. And he that burneth her shall wash his clothes in water, and bathe his flesh in water, and shall be unclean until the even. And a man that is clean shall gather up the ashes of the heifer, and lay them up without the camp in a clean place, and it shall be kept for the congregation of the children of Israel for a water of separation: it is a purification for sin."Let us consider the above passage. First, we need to again understand that according to the book of Hebrews...the blood of bulls/cows, and goats never truly removed sin. Therefore, we must interpret the above passage to mean something other than that it serves the same purpose, or competes with the sacrifice of Yeshua HaMashiach. We also see that Rabbi Shaul (Paul) understood this as well when he participated in a temple sacrifice that involved similar cleansings (Acts 21:23-24, 26-27).... " Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them. And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him" Notice how many years after Yeshua HaMashiach departed that Sha'ul (Paul) validated the temple, and it's priesthood. And remember, Sha'ul (Paul) most likely wrote the book of Hebrews. We all should remember that just because we don't understand something in the light of our own theology does not make it false...it just requires further study, and prayer. We currently see, and understand a little of G-d's plan at this point in time. But, when Messiah comes back we will know, and understand is His full plan (and the details therein). All of His purposes will be made clear. Until then, we must trust what is outlined in the TeNaKh (old test.), and the Brit Hadashah (new test.) must fall in line. In regards to this discussion one will do well to understand that my statements are in no way meant to imply that Yeshua The Messiah's sacrifice is diminished by the Levitical Priesthood, and it's sacrifices. I am not saying in any way, shape, or form that our salvation comes from any other source than Yeshua The Messiah's precious shed blood (as this seems to be the main objection). Shalom achot b'Yeshua HaMashiach, Reuel
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Jul 28, 2004 19:17:16 GMT -8
I will respond to brother Curt's post in the "tithing" thread. First here is his post...
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Jul 28, 2004 20:19:33 GMT -8
Shalom Curt, First, you may want to read my previous post in this thread as it addresses much of what you posted. The scriptures that I provided in my previous post contradict your interpretation of the passages you provided here. I believe the language here has become obscured through the Greek translation. I believe that this speaks of how the former status of the covenant has been set aside because as it communicates in this chapter, the Levitical Priesthood couldn't actually remove sin from someone in regards to making them perfect. But, as has already been communicated, Yeshua's sacrifice has been affective since the foundation of the world, and holy men of God have been justified by His grace...not by the Levitical Priesthood. Therefore, if perfection (in regards to sin) did not come through the Levitical Priesthood, and this was not even it's purpose...than there is no need to replace it, as the Melchizedek, and the Levitical Priesthoods have two different purposes. One earthly...and one heavenly. I have already provided the scriptures (Deu.4:1-2) that would make Yeshua a false prophet if He diminished from -any- of the words that God gave to Moshe. If Yeshua HaMashiach has always been a priest according to the order of Melchizedek, and His sacrifice effective from the foundation of the world...than this has been the case from the beginning...even during the institution of the Levitical Priesthood. Therefore, this further proves that the two priesthoods coexisted in the past, and that they can do so in the future (as is clearly communicated in Jeremiah 33:20-22). Sorry brother, but it is simply conjecture to say that 1Corinthians 9:13-14 says this as there is no language contained in this passage in regards to replacing a priesthood, and assuming it's tithes. This passage simply communicates that a worker is worthy of his wages. No, the scripture says in Jeremiah 33:20-22 that until the covenant of day, and night has been broken, the covenant with the Levites cannot be broken. And, because day, and night continue you simply cannot state that the covenant with the Levites has been discontinued. I am sorry, but you -cannot- leap over this one. Furthermore, God has commanded His covenant found in Devarim (Deut.) to a thousand generations... "Know therefore that YHVH thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations"- Deuteronomy/Devarim 7:9 "He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations."- Psalms 105:8 There are those whom teach that the two passages above are not true, but that God has done away with His covenant that He commanded to a thousand generations. Has a thousand generations passed ;D Does anybody know how long a thousand generations is??...in regards to time as we know it...it is Forever. Our God is a covenant keeping God, and forever is qualified as an unthinkable amount of time. You are right, the whole Bible is the word of God. But, one must remember a few things...The TeNaKh is indeed the foundation. 2Timothy 3:16 specifically speaks of the TeNaKh as this was the -only- scripture available when this was written. Furthermore, Sha'ul (Paul) exhorted for us to be like the Bereans whom tested his sayings by the TeNaKh. Sha'ul did not exhort us to test his writings by -his writings-. If we apply proper hermeneutical principles when interpreting the Word of God, the Brit HaDashah (New Test.) cannot contradict the TeNaKh (Old Test.). The Brit HaDashah stands, or falls by the foundation (TeNaKh), and not the other way around. Shalom B'Shem Yeshua HaMashiach, Reuel
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Jan 23, 2005 20:46:39 GMT -8
Okay, I know this is an old thread, but I wanted to say that Reuel made a very sound and convincing arguement. I had previously (incorrectly) thought that Messiah did away with the Yom Kippur sacrifice, but now I see how the two coincide without canceling each other out.
Thank you Reuel. Very informative.
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Jan 24, 2005 11:06:19 GMT -8
Glad to be of assistance. B'Shem Yeshua HaMashiach, Reuel
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Apr 19, 2005 19:37:06 GMT -8
cont. from this thread: Practical ObservanceInitially I started off thinking all sacfice was done away. Then I did more studying, and started thinking that only the sin sacrifices were done away with. Finally, after more intensive study, I have come to the conclusion that none of the sacrifices have been done away with for two reasons: 1. Yeshua said, "I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not one yud, nor one stroke will by any means disappear from the until everything is accomplished." 2. Rav Sh'aul said in Ivrim 10:3-4, "But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins, because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins." So, since the sacrifices could never make atonement for sin, but instead were symbolic of the heavenly sacrifices ie... The Lamb, then we are to do them and offer them in memorial of Messiah's sacrifice. Think about this for a minute, if all sacrifices had been done away with by Messiah's death, then the Talmidim would have stopped offering them at the Temple. However, we can cleary see that they did not.
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Post by Rick on Apr 19, 2005 21:26:05 GMT -8
Excellent points all, requires alot more chewing. I had not read this thread yet. First impulse; I am at a point where there is a razors edge that gives equal weight to both sides, and the answer is along that fine line. (as I alluded to in the other thread). an example would be the delicate balance between Calvinism and Weslyianism; The Scriptures -clearly- teach the doctrine of election, BUT it also points to free will,(insofar as an unregenerate will is able; in that state it naturally will choose sin and reject G-d or, without Grace, not choose at all, which in and of itself is a choice). Since scripture clearly teaches both and scripture CANNOT contradict itself we are left the task of finding the balance between the two without negating either. As I said "A razors edge" where we would fall into error is to be too far to one side without considering the validity of the other,(as per my example a "Hyper Calvinist" or "Ultra Armenianist") Both denying the validity of the other despite scripture to support both doctrinal views. Am I making any sense at all? In relation to this topic I can see valid, solid points, and scripture to support both sides. This then leads me to my current position, that somewhere here is the balance point, ie; that "razors edge". I am leaning,(and feel led), towards thinking, as Reuel touched on, the answer lies in the -Parallel- of the "different" priesthoods. It's just a matter of seeing how the fabric is woven together to produce the beautiful tapestry that is "The whole Word of G-d". Somewhere in there is the 'common' thread. I think I'll go "chew my cud" for awhile and wait to see if either side of this discussion tips my scale one way or the other
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Post by Blake on Apr 28, 2005 7:56:45 GMT -8
From what is in the Book of Hebrews I find all believers are Priests with Yehoshua as our High Priest in Heaven.
An Earthly Temple and Sacrifices are no longer needed for the work of the Sanctuary is carried on in Heaven by our Messiah in the Heavenly Temple that Schlomo's was based on. No longer do we need an Earthly mediator because have one in heaven.
I believe if the Temple is rebuilt it will be only to the purposes to further mislead the Yehudim to follow the Armilus. The Spurious Messiah.
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Apr 28, 2005 9:47:05 GMT -8
Blake, If you haven't done so already, I would highly recommend you re-read the entire thread and conduct some personal study into this issue.
Keep in mind that Rav Sh'aul said in Ivrim 10:3-4, "But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins, because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins." So sacrifices have always been symbolic and will continue to be symbolic when they are re-instituted. Therefore, there is no conflict between putting our trust in Yeshua and fufilling the mitzvah of sacrifice. If their were, then the talmidim would have stopped going to the Temple as it's main function is to conduct sacrifices.
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Apr 28, 2005 11:19:49 GMT -8
Shalom Blake,
Yes, this is a commonly held belief. Do you have a particular scripture passage to back up the above quote? And, from your reading of the book of Yechesk'el (Ezek.) do you really believe that the Temple described therein is one built for the sole purpose of deceiving the Jews? Or, does this prophetic book communicate that it is the expressed good and perfect will of the Father for the Yechesk'el Temple to be built? I think that when you read what I have referenced you may have a different view other than what you have been led to believe. The truth is stranger than fiction.
Berachot b'Yeshua (Blessings in Yeshua),
Reuel
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Post by Blake on May 2, 2005 14:53:46 GMT -8
Blake, If you haven't done so already, I would highly recommend you re-read the entire thread and conduct some personal study into this issue. Keep in mind that Rav Sh'aul said in Ivrim 10:3-4, "But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins, because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins." So sacrifices have always been symbolic and will continue to be symbolic when they are re-instituted. Therefore, there is no conflict between putting our trust in Yeshua and fufilling the mitzvah of sacrifice. If their were, then the talmidim would have stopped going to the Temple as it's main function is to conduct sacrifices. I agree that the blood offerings never took away sins (though many of the Israelites forgot this during the Messiah's time) but were symbolic and valid commandments. I don't see them as having ceased either, because Yehoshua Moschiach went back to Heaven and conducts the daily Temple Ordinances in the Heavenly Temple (see the Epistle to the Hebrews). Seeing that the High Priest conducts this things for us why should be attempt to build a temple of wood and concrete when the Heavenly Temple and New Jeruselum are so close to being placed on the New Earth? Why slay an earthly lamb when the heavenly lamb has already been slain AND risen from sheol? Why get a new High Priest when the a much better one conducts ordinences on our behalf in heaven? Any earthly Temple would only distract from the true High Priest and the plan of salvation he and his Father have instituted. I think we'd be much better off focusing on evangelism and perfecting our own lives because Elohim has already said that isn't the blood sacrifices that please him but our obedience and faith. While Paulos did take an oath at the Temple no Nazarenes are ever recorded (or encouraged to) make sin offerings at the temple.
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Post by Blake on May 2, 2005 15:08:05 GMT -8
Shalom Blake, Yes, this is a commonly held belief. Do you have a particular scripture passage to back up the above quote? And, from your reading of the book of Yechesk'el (Ezek.) do you really believe that the Temple described therein is one built for the sole purpose of deceiving the Jews? Or, does this prophetic book communicate that it is the expressed good and perfect will of the Father for the Yechesk'el Temple to be built? I think that when you read what I have referenced you may have a different view other than what you have been led to believe. The truth is stranger than fiction. Berachot b'Yeshua (Blessings in Yeshua), Reuel The Temple described within Ezekial is not one to be built with the imperfect hands of men, but one crafted by YHVH Elyon Himself! This is the Temple that will be placed on the restored earth for the Children of Israel to serve as priests forever. Anything built by man is imperfect because man is imperfect. Anything built by him is destined to be destroyed, the Temple described by the Prophet will stand for all of eternity. Remember the great stature of Daniel, a stone cut without hands destroys all the kingdoms of earth and all that is within them.
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on May 2, 2005 19:24:10 GMT -8
They are different priesthoods with different purposes as you have agreed that the Levitical Priesthood's purpose was never to take away sin by the blood of bulls and goats. We would not get a new Earthly priesthood, but one that already exists...just restored. The scriptures already presented in this thread make it clear that the Levitical priesthood will serve in the future temple and sacrifices will be offered once again on Earth. These sacrifices are not described as being offered in the temple described in the book of Revelation.
Do you have a particular passage you are thinking of in regards to your statement above?
I think that the Yechezk'el (Ezek.) Temple is being confused with the Temple described in the book of Revelation. When we take a look at the descriptions of the two we find that they are different. When we read the book of Yechezk'el we see that blood sacrifices are indeed taking place and it is not Yeshua HaMashiach that is offering them. I would just take a moment to read the book of Yechezk'el (Ezek.) and see that the description in chapter 40 is not that of the Heavenly Temple in Revelation. Let us take a look at just one of the many passages in the TeNaKh that support what I am saying...
"A chamber with the door of it was by the posts at the gates; there they washed the burnt offering. In the porch of the gate were two tables on this side, and two tables on that side, to kill thereon the burnt offering and the sin offering and the trespass offering. On the one side outside, as one goes up to the entry of the gate toward the north, were two tables; and on the other side, which belonged to the porch of the gate, were two tables. Four tables were on this side, and four tables on that side, by the side of the gate; eight tables, whereupon they killed the sacrifices. There were four tables for the burnt offering, of hewn stone, a cubit and a half long, and a cubit and a half broad, and one cubit high; whereupon they laid the instruments with which they killed the burnt offering and the sacrifice. The hooks, a handbreadth long, were fastened within round about: and on the tables was the flesh of the offering. Outside of the inner gate were chambers for the singers in the inner court, which was at the side of the north gate; and their prospect was toward the south; one at the side of the east gate having the prospect toward the north. He said to me, This chamber, whose prospect is toward the south, is for the Kohanim, the keepers of the charge of the house; and the chamber whose prospect is toward the north is for the Kohanim, the keepers of the charge of the altar: these are the sons of Tzadok, who from among the sons of Levi come near to YHVH to minister to him." - Yechezk'el (Ezek.) 40:38-46
A few things we see in this one passage alone....
1. It is future. 2. It is on Earth. 3. It is the expressed will of God. 4. There are blood sacrifices. 5. There are sin sacrifices. 6. The Levitical priesthood is operating. 7. Yeshua is not making these offerings.
We know that this temple will be operating during the millenium. If it is the will of God it is not in conflict with His will. Therefore, the two priesthoods (Levi's and Messiah's) operate in harmony. And, the TeNaKh promises that this would be the case...
Behold, the future....
"Behold, the days come, says YHVH, that I will perform that good word which I have spoken concerning the house of Yisra'el and concerning the house of Yehudah. In those days, and at that time, will I cause a Branch of righteousness to grow up to David; and he shall execute justice and righteousness in the land. In those days shall Yehudah be saved, and Yerushalayim shall dwell safely; and this is the name by which she shall be called: YHVH our righteousness." - Yirmeyahu (Jerm.) 33:14-16
Most agree that the above passage is future as Yeshua has not yet executed justice and righteousness in the land, nor has Yehudah (Judah) been saved, nor is Yerushalayim (Jerusalem) dwelling safely, and it is definetly not currently known as "YHVH our righteousness". So, why am I making these obvious points??....To set the stage for the very next verse in the passage referenced above...
"For thus says YHVH: David shall never want a man to sit on the throne of the house of Yisra'el; neither shall the Kohanim the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to burn meal offerings, and to do sacrifice continually. The word of YHVH came to Yirmeyahu, saying, Thus says YHVH: If you can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, so that there shall not be day and night in their season; then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he shall not have a son to reign on his throne; and with the Levites the Kohanim, my ministers. As the army of the sky can't be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured; so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites who minister to me." - Yirmeyahu (Jerm.) 33:17-22
From the passage above we can also see that this is future as David and Levi have not had their seed multiplied as the stars of the sky and the sand of the sea. We see that from this passage that He whom sits on the throne of David (Messiah) exists in harmony with the Levitical priesthood. Furthermore, the following portion of the passage above is a promise from God Himself...
"If you can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, so that there shall not be day and night in their season; then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he shall not have a son to reign on his throne; and with the Levites the Kohanim, my ministers."
Notice how if the covenant with Levi can be broken with God....so can the covenent with David (Messiah) be broken. Do we serve a covenant breaking God?
Shalom chaver,
Reuel
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