Isha
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Post by Isha on Mar 30, 2013 22:11:18 GMT -8
thank you Messianicmama for your honesty, my husband has not acted on this in anyway, all of this has been and open discussion, with the objective being to rid ourselves of the pagan ways we have inherited over the years and this is one of the may topics that we have and are discussing, when we come across these topics we confess our sin and submit our hearts of stone and ask Abba to give us hearts of flesh so that we may Shema and turn back to his ways.Last night again we discussed the subject, and he admits that it is a huge undertaking and that only if Abba allows him to learn how to be a husband to me, to lead, to love, to provide, to teach, and if the woman is a believer and will submit to then it can be an option, he has confessed that he would like wives and many sons, at this point though Abba is testing me to see if I am part of Isreal or not, will I submit to his ways, will I let go of my pagan ideals, can I honeslty say I love the and all the ways, do I hate what Abba hates and love what He loves. These are the questions and the things that we need to overcome now in order to be part of the Millennium reign!
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Post by Yedidyah on Mar 30, 2013 22:16:47 GMT -8
thank you Messianicmama for your honesty, my husband has not acted on this in anyway, all of this has been and open discussion, with the objective being to rid ourselves of the pagan ways we have inherited over the years and this is one of the may topics that we have and are discussing, when we come across these topics we confess our sin and submit our hearts of stone and ask Abba to give us hearts of flesh so that we may Shema and turn back to his ways.Last night again we discussed the subject, and he admits that it is a huge undertaking and that only if Abba allows him to learn how to be a husband to me, to lead, to love, to provide, to teach, and if the woman is a believer and will submit to then it can be an option, he has confessed that he would like wives and many sons, at this point though Abba is testing me to see if I am part of Isreal or not, will I submit to his ways, will I let go of my pagan ideals, can I honeslty say I love the and all the ways, do I hate what Abba hates and love what He loves. These are the questions and the things that we need to overcome now in order to be part of the Millennium reign! Pagans have always had many wives, proven through history. It is not commanded so you are in no sin by not doing such. To walk away from falsehood and step into a snare like this is no different than walking right back into paganism. It is not in His that we should have multiple wives. Simple as that. Being part of Israel does not mean you have to be a polygamist, that is a bad teaching, worse it is a seriously false teaching.
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Post by Isha on Mar 31, 2013 0:33:12 GMT -8
I don't think anyone is saying it is a must, just that it is part of our history, part of our culture, and Elohim gives instruction in some cases and in others is silent, now what do I do given the facts knowing Abba hates divorce, he birthed a nation out of one man and four women our fathers and mothers, all I'm sharing I faced with these questions in my life.
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Post by alon on Mar 31, 2013 3:13:01 GMT -8
I don't think anyone is saying it is a must, just that it is part of our history, part of our culture, and Elohim gives instruction in some cases and in others is silent, now what do I do given the facts knowing Abba hates divorce, he birthed a nation out of one man and four women our fathers and mothers, all I'm sharing I faced with these questions in my life. So, HaShem was silent, which means Yedidyah is correct and He didn't command polygamy. And He hates divorce. You speak of the Patriarchs marrying multiple wives, but remember how those turned out? Hagar and Ishmael being turned out- a divorce. Joseph so loved by his father he became hated by his half brothers, to the point they conspired to kill him. What kind of family life do you think produced such rage in all but one brother? This is an obvious mistake. My next question would be where are these ideas coming from? Because not only does the idea of polygamy need to be addressed before it is too late, but so does the source of the idea. Otherwise it will come back like a malignant cancer until it destroys you. My prayers are with you, but you are unfortunately going to have to take a stand here or eventually see your marriage, your family and your life destroyed. And that is as Biblical as polygamy. Dan C
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Apr 9, 2013 15:07:17 GMT -8
B"H There is a reason why all of Yisra'el today has outlawed the practice of having more than one wife...It is something that has consistently throughout history lead to other family sins. Yeshua said that you shall know someone or something by its fruit...and history shows very bad fruit when it comes to this. Polygamy, or the practice of having more than one wife does in fact destroy relationships, families, and communities...and that my brothers and sisters is very much against a life, and the standard of love that the exhorts us to. I have personally witnessed this in at least two families that I knew of that fell into this sin, and in both cases it destroyed their families and their relationship with the Messianic community. Furthermore, contrary to what some teach, it goes against the ideal example in the . The Cohen HaGadol (High Priest) was the example for the rest of the Nation of Yisra'el to follow. He was only to have one wife, and historically we find this to be true. This was also the case for leaders in the body of Messiah (1Timothy 3:2,12), as they were to be examples to the rest of the Messianic community. Because the is spiritual, this also points to God, and to our Cohen HaGadol Yeshua. The God of Yisra'el only has one bride. The scriptures only speak of Him having one wife. And, in the book of Revelation, in the end of days...He still only has one wife. Revelation 19:7 states, "Let us rejoice and be glad! Let us give him the glory! For the time has come for the wedding of the Lamb, and his Bride has prepared herself". Please note that the passage doesn't say, "and his brides have prepared themselves". Furthermore, from the beginning God showed us what the perfect marriage looked like with Adam and Chavah (Eve). It was one man and one woman...not one man and three women. In Mattityahu (Matthew) 19:4-5 Yeshua said, "...Haven't you read that at the beginning the Creator made them male and female, and that he said, `For this reason a man should leave his father and mother and be united with his wife, and the two are to become one flesh'?" Notice how Yeshua didn't say, "for this reason a man should leave his father and mother and be united with his wives, and the three, or four, or more will become one flesh". The first person in the TeNaKh to practice polygamy was the wicked person Lemech (B'reishit/Gen. 4:19). As it is with most who pursue such a thing, it was Lemech's lust of his flesh that led him to do so. Our forefathers were not perfect either...they made mistakes, and they and their families suffered for it...this we know for sure. Ya'akov's marriages were a result of his own sin and deception that came back on his own head. And, although God worked through it all...it was not ideal, and it did lead to infighting and many sins. But, our faith and practice should be based on the one who is perfect. Our faith should be based on being a disciple of Yeshua The Messiah. A disciple follows in the ways of his or her Master...otherwise we truly cannot call ourself a "disciple", as we depart from the example and teaching of the one we call Master. And make no mistake, Yeshua's example is just as much his teaching to us as his spoken words. And, we see that he only has one bride. Again, Revelation 19:7 states, "Let us rejoice and be glad! Let us give him the glory! For the time has come for the wedding of the Lamb, and his Bride has prepared herself". God never speaks of having more than one wife. Adonai gave us intelligent brains and there are some things that Adonai expects us to figure out. Adonai exhorts us to have strong families and marriages...and polygamy doesn't lead to that, and it didn't lead to such things with the partriarchs that practiced such things. Again, there is a reason why Judaism outlawed it long ago, and I believe this was a move led by the Ruach Hakodesh. But, if someone wants to gamble with their life and with the life of their family because of their own personal lust or because of fear from another...when there is no real reason to do so, and when Adonai has not commanded it...I would say that this would be foolish (to say the least), and after it does lead to sin (which it will), than such a one will be held accountable for their sin. Isha, this is Adonai's word to you, and His loving caution to you, and to anyone else who would be deceived into accepting such a practice. In the name of Yeshua The Messiah, R' Reuel
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Post by Isha on Apr 10, 2013 3:16:57 GMT -8
Thank you for your opinion on this subject, please know I have studied, prayed and thought this through extensively, and with this in view, it means one of two options, either to stay in the marriage or get divorced, mmmmm.
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Post by Yedidyah on Apr 10, 2013 7:09:14 GMT -8
Thank you for your opinion on this subject, please know I have studied, prayed and thought this through extensively, and with this in view, it means one of two options, either to stay in the marriage or get divorced, mmmmm. If it is between being married or divorced than the commands from the have been made void by man made traditions and laws. The seeking of a pursuant life have already been broken by such statements showing ones faults for man-made commands of false righteousness compared to a perfect father of perfect righteousness. The choice to look like the Father our Elohim or to look like the image of fallen man, you get to make the choice. Your husband needs to repent before it is to late.
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Post by alon on Apr 10, 2013 9:42:39 GMT -8
Thank you for your opinion on this subject, please know I have studied, prayed and thought this through extensively, and with this in view, it means one of two options, either to stay in the marriage or get divorced, mmmmm. It sounds as if your husband has already made up his mind on the subject. Is this correct? My advice is to stay with the marriage as long as possible, although separation is an option if it comes to that in order to bring him to realize what he is risking if he continues. The object is to save your marriage and keep it healthy. But under no circumstances should you risk bringing any children into this marriage until this is completely resolved. And again I urge you to cut off the source of this insanity. If you are under the teaching of someone who is promoting this, then leave now. This is cultish behavior, and the longer you are in it the stronger their hold will become. If it is from books, they are false and should be purged from your home. If from friends, cut them off and find new friends. But whatever the influence is that is causing him to want this needs to be dealt with decisively. It is difficult to give advice over the internet, with limited facts and not knowing everyone involved. So take this under consideration but ultimately you will have to decide what to do. If you have a close friend who is godly and not a part of the source of this issue, then possibly you could turn to her for help and advice. But if it ever comes down to a choice between entering into a polygamous relationship and divorce, my advice is divorce. At that point he would have already broken the marriage covenant anyhow, and you would not want to raise a family in such an environment. With prayers for you, Dan C
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